David S. Payne Genealogy

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  • ID: I09513
  • Name: John PAYNE , Sr.
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1780 in NC/VA
  • Death: AFT 1850 in Union Co. GA
  • Event: Kinship Shirley Hamby <hamby.shirley98@gmail.com>
  • Event: Kinship "Shirlene Johnson" <jpj@tds.net>
  • Event: Kinship Jim Payne <jimp123@alltel.net>
  • Note:
    https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/2946118/person/280098125807/facts

    See: Payne in Rutherford Co Land deeds 1804-1834.pdf
    Rutherford Co. NC deeds from Karen Shelton <rinsky3000@msn.com>:
    1826 (12-23-1826) 2938(no number) JOHN PAINE enters 200 ac border MOSES PAiNE on 5. side: issued p3
    1830 ( 1-14-1830) 3494(514) JOHN PANE enters 200 ac; border SAMUEL EZELL on N Fork of First Broad R. p99

    Also in Tina Crisp see: GUION MILLER INDIAN APPLICATION.rtf mentions her Poindexter ancestor. She thought Poindexter was Cherokee name but we proved Trader Payne's mother was Elizabeth Poindexter. Her father told her she descended from Poindexters. DSPayne

    See: Guion_Miller___Poindexter_s_page___66a thru 73a.jpg
    She was christened in Cherokee Tribe, Native American.
    According to sworn testimony by Tina Louise Payne in the United States Court of Claims on July 20, 1908, elucidated by earlier official documents, Tina inherited Cherokee blood from her great-great-grandfather, William Payne, brother of John Red Bank Payne.

    Evidence:
    According to sworn testimony by Tina Louise Payne in the United States Court of Claims on July 20, 1908,[a] elucidated by earlier official documents,[b] Tina inherited Cherokee blood from her great-great-grandfather, William Payne, brother of John Red Bank Payne.

    1820 Spartanburg Co.SC, Roll: 120 Page: 315
    John Pain 320110-00210-0301
    Two houses away is Son
    Thos Pain 000100-20100-0100

    1830; Census Place: Franklin, Georgia; Series: M19; Roll: 17; Page: 215
    John Payne
    Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
    Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1
    Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 2
    Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 3
    Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59: 1
    Slaves - Females - 10 thru 23: 1
    Free White Persons - Under 20: 6
    Total Free White Persons: 8
    Total Slaves: 1
    Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 9

    1840 Spartanburg Co. SC, Roll: 515 Page: 140
    John Paine 2000100010000-000010001
    Possible Dorcus Payne Ezell and family is living with them.

    1850; Census Place: District 85, Union, Georgia; Roll: M432_84; Page: 222B
    John Payne 70 VA
    Philadelphia Payne 70 NC
    Darcas Israel 28 NC her name is Ezell
    William Israel 14 NC
    Samuel Israel 12 SC
    Landrum Israel 4 SC

    1860; Census Place: Union, Georgia; Roll: M653_138; Page: 493
    Saml Ezell 20
    Margaret Ezell 20
    Dorcas Ezell 55
    John L Ezell 13

    1870; Census Place: Subdivision 126, Union, Georgia; Roll: M593_179; Page: 61B
    Darcas Ezell 57
    John Ezell 23

    1880; Census Place: Gum Log, Union, Georgia; Roll: 169; Page: 151C
    Dorcus Ezell 67 Next door to son Samuel who was born in SC

    1900; Census Place: Peavine, Walker, Georgia; Roll: 226; Page: 13A;
    Samuel Ezell 60 Dec 1839
    Margaret Ezell 60
    Forest R Ezell 35
    Samuel L Ezell 24
    Mary A Ezell 22
    Columbus B Ezell 19
    Dorcas E Ezell 80 Feb 1820
    Ollie Ezell 12
    Frank Ezell 10

    1910; Census Place: Lafayette, Walker, Georgia; Roll: T624_214; Page: 24B
    S Ezell 70
    Margret Ezell 70
    Dorcas Ezell 87
    C B Ezell 27
    Isabel Ezell 18

    From: Jinnifer011@aol.com [email no good]
    Children
    1. Louis/Lewis Payne B 1794- 98 # 406 on the 1860 Census
    2. Thomas Payne B 1795 -1800
    3. John Payne B 1804 1810 Married Sara Walker
    4. Moses Payne b 1806 D 1850 Married Elizabeth Walker
    5. Asa Payne B 1800 -1810 Married Nancy
    6. female
    7. Female
    8. Female
    9. Daniel Payne B 1815-1817 Surry/Burke Co NC Married Eliza Walker and Mary thompson
    10. male
    John Resided Surry Co. NC 1800-1810,Spartenburg Co. SC 1820, Burke Co NC 1830

    From: Lew and Geri <lesgps@mindspring.com>
    To: Micki Payne-Croat
    Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:28 PM
    Subject: Re: Lewis Payne
    I'll share what I know about Lewis Paine b. abt 1794 in Surry Co NC. Was there until some time about 1820 (signed bond in Surry for sister Rachael in 1820). His first child Taswell/Hassle was born about 1822 in Spartanburg SC, (Hazzle is son of Daniel Jackson, DSP) sister Rachael was there and so was brother Daniel Jackson Paine. Lewis's wife was thought to be anna but it look like it could arma probably Irma on the 1850 census in Cherokee Co NC she was born in SC. There was a John Paine in Spartanburg at the same time, can't be sure it was there father.
    Lewis, Moses, Thomas and father John were in Rutherford Co NC in 1840. I found a land grant to John Pain in Rutherford Co in 1838. Lewis (blacksmith) and Daniel (blacksmith) were in Cherokee in 1850.
    Lewis' brothers John (blacksmith) & Nathaniel were both with Winfield Scott when he remove the Cherokee Indians in 1838 from Western NC and North Ga. And they were on the 1840 Union Co GA. By 1850 Moses was in Union Co.
    Daniel's wife Elizabeth Walker died about this time and he remarried and moved to Fannin Co. Ga. (Was Part of Union co Ga.)
    Lewis and Sister Racheal Ezell both were in Cherokee Co NC in 1860. Not sure but think they all may have move back to SC.
    Lewis was a blacksmith and a preacher.
    Several of Moses' sons were blacksmith, farmer, preachers. My father has the carpenter tools belonging to Moses son David Washington Paine/Payne. Much to long and rambling, hope you can follow. Geri
    Lew and Geri <lesgps@mindspring.com> wrote:
    David, when I started out trying to trace our John Pain I thought he was probably out of Rowan Co. N.C. and I was able to find a Philadelphia Ledford, daughter of John Ledford Sr. who's age was about right to be John's wife. Both families moved to Union, Fannin and Cherokee Co NC. about the same time but, since I have been able to find more information about my family in Union, Fannin Co. Ga. and Cherokee Co N.C. I've found out that in 1810 John & Philadelphia lived in Surry Co NC and move to Spartanburg, S.C. in the early 1820 and in the 1830's moved to Rutherford N.C. In 1840 Union Co census, just after the Indian removal, 2 of John's son showed up in Union Co: (John Payne wife Paralee Walker (Blacksmith) and (Nathanial S Payne b.1815 married Mary More in Union Co/. Blacksmith).
    Lewis Payne b.1798 in Surry CO NC move to Cherokee Co N.C. about 1841/2.(wife Arma/Irma) )Blacksmith.
    Rachael Payne Ezell b. 1800 move to Cherokee Co in 1850s. (husband Samuel Ezell)
    Daniel Jackson Payne b.1817 was in Cherokee Co N.C. and McMann Co TN. during 1850 (1st Elizabeth Walker). Later move to Fannin Co. (Blacksmith)
    Moses Jesse Payne b.1806 move to Union 1841/1 ( Wife Elizabeth Walker).
    Mary Paine M.1837 William Taylor and moved to Union Co. after Moses died cir. 1858.
    Probably other children I don't know about.
    Now, back to John & Philadelphia in 1790's Moses Ayres & Abigail Payne were in Surry Co NC. and we know that they had a child with them named Moses Payne b cir. 1777.
    I keep coming back to the fact John & Moses were brother. Could it be they were children of Abigail ? Jimmy Payne tell us that there is a problem with DNA about that generation. I Haven't seen that infor in DNA. So, finally I'm not sure what Philadelphia's name was. Could well be, Ayers. Sincerely, Geri Payne Stotts

    From: "david johnson" <db.johnson@earthlink.net> See her file: Payne John and Philadelphia by Linda Johnson.doc
    To: "David S. Payne" <otime1@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Sorry not a "Will" but info on a Deed Abstract
    Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:43:33 -0500
    David, This does show there is a connection with Samuel Ezell and Rachel Payne Ezell to John and Philadelphia Payne.
    In deed abstracts, Spartanburg, SC, Book S, page 664, the following: "p.1820 Nov. 5, 1821 John Payne (Spartanburgh sic) to Henry Cantrell (same); for $150 sold 90 ac on Horse cr. Witness Samuel Ezell and Rachael Ezell. Signed John Payne and Philialphy's (Philadelphia) mark. Wit. oath March 15, 1822 Samuel Ezell to Henry Turner. Rec. Apr. 1, 1822."
    On Page 723: "p. 394-395 Jan. 29, 1823 John Payne (Spartanburg) to Moses Simmons (Rutherford Co. NC) for $300 sold 118 ac on W side of Buck Cr." ....."Signed John Payne and Philadelphia's mark."
    Linda




    Father: William PAYNE , Sr.* b: 1752 in VA
    Mother: Catherine (Katy) MIDDLETON? , *

    Marriage 1 Philadelphia AYERS b: 1780 in Guilford Co. NC
    • Married: 1793 in Surry Co. NC
    Children
    1. Has Children Thomas PAYNE b: ABT 1796 in NC
    2. Has Children Lewis PAYNE b: 1797 in Surry Co. NC
    3. Has Children Rachel PAYNE b: ABT 1800 in Surry Co. NC
    4. Has Children Moses PAYNE , Sr. b: 1806 in Rutherford Co. NC
    5. Has Children John PAYNE , Jr. b: ABT 1809 in NC
    6. Has Children Asa Prior PAYNE b: 1810 in NC
    7. Has Children Dorcus PAYNE b: FEB 1813
    8. Has Children Nathaniel S. PAYNE b: 5 APR 1815 in Rutherford Co. NC
    9. Has Children Daniel Jackson PAYNE b: 5 APR 1817 in Surry/Burke Co. NC
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