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  • ID: I00122
  • Name: Bertha Carolina Friederica Marie LANKOW 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 10 APR 1866 in Borgfeld, Borgfeld, Meck-Vpr, Ger. 3 4 5 6
  • Death: 3 MAY 1936 in Chicago, Cook, IL 7
  • Event: Immigrated 4 MAY 1882 Ship "Wieland" Hamburg-NY .18 - 04.0.1882
  • Change Date: 13 JAN 2002
  • NATU: 1892 8
  • Burial: 6 MAY 1936 Irving Park Blvd. Cemetery - Chicago, Cook, IL 8
  • Reference Number: 143
  • Note:
    Shipped on the Wieland, Hamburg to NY 4.19.1882 SourcefromHamburgDirectList. Hambu r g L i s t does not list wifeandchildrenwhoapparentlyaccompanied father. Also found in Filb y , V o l42,Pg309.Shipped with,Father, mother and two siblings.
    [Dave Phillips - Aug. Kobernuss.FTW]

    It is presumed that Frank Voss is the son of Bertha because Frank is the grandson of Minnie K0bernus (Bertha's mother.) Voss is a known family name - always associated with the Kobernus ' , and associated with Bertha is the only logical choice (Frank Voss can not be Anna or Wilhelm's son for obvious reasons.)
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    Subj: Notes
    Date: 1/28/01 12:54:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
    From: molly@itexas.net (Ervin Hauf)
    To: george@kobernus.com, dgphilli@yahoo.com (David G. Phillips)

    Just a few things of interest. I found out recently from my cousin, daughter of Minnie, my mother Bertha's sister, that a Heinrich Phillips is a sponsor on her mothers baptismal papers . Think that is maybe Henry Phillips on Davids tree? I know Bertha Voss is a sponsor on my mothers, but more and more I am thinking that the wedding license for a Bertha Kobenuz to a John Voss that I have , is not the right one. Wedding was in 1887. Bertha would have only been 10 years old. Maybe she is a daughter of a different Kobernuss living in that area of Chicago , It is the same pastor and same spelling of KOBENUZ, as my grandma Minnie. Our Bertha may have still married a Louis, like David was told. In case anyone is interested, the addresses for August, found on the city directories were changed in 1909 to:

    1263 Clybourne is now abt. 2830 W. Clybourne 229 Fletcher isbetweenHoyne(2100W) and Leavit ( 2200W) on Fletcher 1791 Hoyne is now 3318 N. Hoyne 212 Wellington is now 2148 W. Wellington. . Good to know if we want to go by there sometime.
    Dolly
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    Subj: Re: August
    Date: 1/27/01 3:28:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
    From: dgphilli@yahoo.com (David G. Phillips)
    To: molly@itexas.net (Ervin Hauf), george@kobernus.com

    I've attached a picture of Anna Kobernus with this email. I'll send more
    in the near future


    --- I have not put Berthas marriage on
    to Voss, yet, as I can't figure out what the error could be, but I know
    she couldn't have been 10 years old at wedding. I have 3 0r 4 death
    certs. for a Bertha Voss, but none of them are her. I have ordered 2
    more, and am waiting to see if one of them will be the daughter of
    August. Can't get things fast enough. If this Jochim is the father of
    Johann, he would have been 19 at the time of birth. Did they marry that
    early? Maybe I put too much emphasis on dates, but I like to try as hard
    as I can to get the right person.

    See: Cook Co records: VOSS, JOHN KOBENNZ, BERTH A COOK 08/13/1887 00O/00117081
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    Subj: Bertha
    Date: 10/15/01 5:43:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    From: molly@itexas.net (Dolly Hauf)
    To: george@kobernus.com
    CC: dgphilli@yahoo.com (David G. Phillips)

    Well I finally found a little more on Bertha. Have an obit for her, whichreads:

    Bertha Voss, May 3, beloved wife of John Voss, mother of Frank, WIlhehmina Sorenson, WIlliam , and Mary Steffens, sister of Mrs Anna Phillips. Funeral service Tuesday, 1 p.m., at funera l home, 5200 N.Western av., corner of Foster. Interment Irving Park Boulevard cemetery.

    Now, I figure that these names, WIlhelmina and Mary are wives of Frank and William. Because they are in with each guy. If they were daughters, I imagine the guys would have been listed first, and the ladies next. Of course, they never make it easy. Couldn't they have said "Nee" an then the names of the ladies. David said he heard of a Mary Sorenson, but if she is married to a Voss, it was William. Will have to do some checking to see that they are wives of the Voss boys, or sisters.
    Nevertheless, this is our Bertha, and she had a son, Frank, so the grandma Minnie could have lived with Frank, before living with my mom'sfamily.

    I really think that her age from the ship list must be wrong. I think it should have said 1866 , instead of 1877. This works out with her marriagecert to John and her death cert.
    George, you didn't find her born after Wilhelmina and Anna in the lastplace that you got info from, so she must have been born in the firstplace that they lived.

    Well at least we know that she had a son Frank. Does this make us cousins, yet, George??

    Talk to you later.
    Dolly
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    ubj: Re: Bertha
    Date: 10/16/01 8:05:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    From: molly@itexas.net (Dolly Hauf)
    To: george@kobernus.com

    Hi George, I thought that I sent you the certs. that I have. The one
    numbered 117081 is the marriage cert. of John Voss and Bertha Kobenuz
    (spelled just like on Minnies marriage cert., WIth the same pastor, andboth
    in Lake View.) Marriage was in 1887. says she was 21 years old. This was
    always the problem, because if Bertha's age was right on the ship papers,
    she would only have been 10 years old. That is why I now think she wasborn
    in 1866. I have her death cert. # 6013765. which says wife of John Vossand
    that she was born April 10, 1866. This matches up with the marriage cert. Irving Pk. Blvd is
    the name of the cemetery on the death cert. From the obit, we know thatshe
    is the right Bertha Voss, because she was the sister of Anna Phillips.Now
    I have to find out if there were 2 sons and their wives, or if there were2
    boys and 2 girls. That darn obit, doesn't really make it clear. We atleast
    know there was a son Frank. If August and Wilhelmina were married in1871,
    and Bertha was born in 1866, maybe he was married before, or maybe likesome
    of the others, she was born before the marriage??? Have to keep looking.Bye
    for now,
    Dolly
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    ubj: Re: Bertha
    Date: 11/4/01 3:42:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
    From: molly@itexas.net (Dolly Hauf)
    To: george@kobernus.com

    Hello George, The church was St Lukes Lutheran Church. They only had records
    at Concordia Hist. Inst. starting with 1888, so they only had Minnies, but
    Bertha has same pastor listed. Info from Ev. Luth Ch in America, says the
    marriage in 1889 (Minnie's) may have taken place in a temporary worship
    facility, as the church burned in Jan of 1889. This same place saidNewberry
    Lib. has microfilms of early records, but don't know if these are before
    1888. I never tried there as I received the Letter - Concordia. I will
    have to write there soon and see if they have more. Maybe I'll see if the
    Mormans have it microfilmed. I'm sure having fun with the German film,
    looking at my list of German words and trying to figure it out. Now that I
    am into it a little further, I can see from the ones that you had sent me,
    if it is birth and baptism, birth and death, marriages, etc. even if the
    handwriting is different. The first few pages, I can't make out, though,and
    one name I can make out there is Heinrich Behrendt, so I will one day have
    to send for copies. It is so maddening that they have no printer, but itis
    a little easier for me to go close to home. I have paid 2 times to keep it
    there so I will pay one more time and then it will be there permanently,for
    a slow poke like me. I am waiting patiently for an obit for John Voss, to
    see how they list his kids. If it is 2 boys and 2 girls, or 2 boys and
    wives. Can't really tell from Bertha's obit. I will let you know as soonas
    I get it. Bye for now,

    Dolly

    Subj: Bertha Kobernuss
    Date: 10/27/02 2:29:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    From: molly@itexas.net (Dolly Hauf)
    To: george@kobernus.com, dgphilli@yahoo.com (David G. Phillips)

    File: BerthaKobernuss.rtf (6821 bytes)
    DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute

    Hello ; It's been a long time. I was sick and recooping for about 6 months. Just got back to the family trees about a month ago. I found Bertha on the census's. Straightened out who the kids were . I couldn't tell for sure from the obits. Maybe you have this info already, but I am attaching it in case you don't.Hope everything is ok with both of you. Let me know if you have found anything new on the family. Bye for now;
    Dolly
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    Descendants of Bertha Kobernuss


    Generation No. 1

    1. BERTHA4 KOBERNUSS (AUGUST FRIEDERICH THEODOR3, JOHANN CARL2, JOACHIM(JOHANN)FRIEDERICH1) was born April 10, 1866 in Fahenholz, Borgfeld, Meck-Vpr, Germany, and died May 03, 1936 in Swedish Covenant Hosp. Chicago, Illinois. She married JOHN VOSS August 13, 1887 in Lakeview, Cook Co. Il. He was born 1865 in Mecklenburg, Germany, and died October 10, 1940 in Chicago, Ilinois.

    Notes for BERTHA KOBERNUSS:
    Birth date arrived at from 1920 and 1930 census, and from marrige license.
    Death date from obit in Chicago Tribune.
    Arrived in U.S. in 1882, naturalized in 1892.
    Lived at 2306 Addison St. in 1920. Lived at 2436 Thorndale Ave. in 1930

    More About BERTHA KOBERNUSS:
    Burial: May 06, 1936, Irving Park Blvd. Cemetery

    Notes for JOHN VOSS:
    Year of birth is arrived at from 1920 and 1930 census, Chicago, Cook Co. Il.
    Time of death is from Obit. from Chicago Tribune
    Marriage date is from Marriage License signed by J.E.A. Mueller. Ev. Luth Pastor, Lakeview, Il.
    Arrived in U.S. in 1882, Naturalized in 1892

    More About JOHN VOSS:
    Burial: October 13, 1940, Irving Park Blvd. Cemetery

    Children of BERTHA KOBERNUSS and JOHN VOSS are:
    i. MINNIE5 VOSS, b. 1889, Illinois; m. CHESTER SORENSON, 1908; b. 1889, Illinois.
    2. ii. WILLIAM C. VOSS, b. 1890, Illinois.
    iii. MARY VOSS, b. 1897, Illinois; m. JOSEPH STEFFENS, 1909; b. 1897, Illinois.
    iv. FRANK VOSS.


    Generation No. 2

    2. WILLIAM C.5 VOSS (BERTHA4 KOBERNUSS, AUGUST FRIEDERICH THEODOR3, JOHANN CARL2, JOACHIM(JOHANN)FRIEDERICH1) was born 1890 in Illinois. He married ETHEL 1925. She was born 1889 in Illinois.

    Child of WILLIAM VOSS and ETHEL is:
    i. GEORGIA B.6 VOSS, b. 1917.




    Father: Unknown PARTNER b: ABT 1842
    Mother: Helmina (Minna) Friederike Dorothea LANKOW b: 25 NOV 1844 in Fahrenholz, Borgfeld, Meck-Vpr, Ger. c: 19 DEC 1844 in Fahrenholz, Borgfeld, Meck-Vpr. Ger.

    Marriage 1 John VOSS b: 29 JAN 1865 in ,, Meck-Vpr, Ger.
    • Married: 13 AUG 1887 in Lakeview-Chicago, Cook, IL 9
    Children
    1. Has Children Frank VOSS b: 21 JUL 1884 in Chicago, Cook, IL
    2. Has No Children Minnie VOSS b: FEB 1889 in Chicago, Cook, IL
    3. Has No Children William C. VOSS b: 1891 in , Cook, IL
    4. Has No Children Edward VOSS b: 11 NOV 1891 in Chicago, Cook, IL
    5. Has No Children Mary VOSS b: MAY 1896 in , Cook, IL

    Sources:
    1. Title: Family Records - Provided by Dave Phillips
      Note: Source Media Type: Other

      ABBR Dave Phillips - Aug. Kobernuss.FTW

      NS37593

      Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Family History - Provided by Dave Phillips

      NS37563

      ABBR Family History - Provided by Dave Phillips

      Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Family Records - Provided by Dave Phillips
      Text: According to Dolly Hauf Lived at 2306 Addison St. in 1920. Lived at 2436 Thorndale Ave. in 1930. Lived at 1883 N. Hoyne in 1900, 3444 N. Hoyne in 1910 Listed as Cabella in 1900 census. Arrived in US 1 882, naturalized 1892 (census).
    2. Title: Church Record - Borgfeld, Birth - LDS 069013
      Note: Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Church Record - Borgfeld, Birth - LDS 069013

      Source Media Type: Church Record
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Page: p. 128
      Text: 10 Apr 1866 Bertha Carolina Friederica Marie Lankow (Unehelich=Illegimate)
      Mother: Helmina Friederica Dorothea Lankow
      Father: Not Named
      All sponsors had Lankow names.
    3. Title: Filby, P. William & Glazier, Ira A - Germans to America 1850-1890
      Note: ABBR Age based on data from passenger record of the Harmonnia in 1873 and the Schwerin permission to emigrte that indicated He

      Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Passenger record Harmonnia 1873

      NS34283

      ABBR Passenger record Harmonnia 1873

      Source M

      ABBR Passenger record Harmonnia 1873
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Text: Ship "Wieland" Hamburg-New York 19.04.1882 - 04.05.1882. Shipped on the Wieland, Hamburg to NY 4.19.1882 Source from Hamburg Direct List. Hamburg List does not list wife and Children who apparently ac companied father. Also found in Filby, Vol 42, Pg 309. Shipped with, Father, mother and two siblings.
    4. Title: Church Record - Borgfeld, Birth - LDS 069013
      Note: Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Church Record - Borgfeld, Birth - LDS 069013

      Source Media Type: Church Record
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Page: p. 128
      Text: Found Bertha just where she was supposed to be. Bertha was Minna's daughter - but the father will remain unknown. This is the record: LDS 0069013 Birth Record, Borgfeld Parish, pg. 128 10 Apr 1866 B ertha Carolina Friederica Marie Lankow (Unehelich=Illegimate) Mother: Helmina Friederica Dorothea Lankow; Father: Not Named

      All sponsors had Lankow names.

      BTW: When we encounter the name "Minnie" we usually assume this is short for Wilhelmina. Bertha's mother's birth record says "Helmina" Friederica Dorothea. And this is the same in Bertha's birth recor d and that of the other children. "Minna" is apparently also short for Helmina. So there is no "Wilhelmina" in Minna Kobernuss' name.
      Note: Church Record - Borgfeld, Birth - LDS 069013, p. 128, Found Bertha just where she was supposed to be. Bertha was Minna's daughter - but the father remains unknown. This is the record: LDS 0069013 Bir th Record, Borgfeld Parish, pg. 128 10 Apr 1866 Bertha Carolina Friederica Marie Lankow (Unehelich=Illegimate) Mother: Helmina Friederica Dorothea Lankow; Father: Not Named

      All sponsors had Lankow names.

      BTW: When we encounter the name "Minnie" we usually assume this is short for Wilhelmina. Bertha's mother's birth record says "Helmina" Friederica Dorothea. And this is the same in Bertha's birth recor d and that of the other children. "Minna" is apparently also short for Helmina. So there is no "Wilhelmina" in Minna Kobernuss' name.
    5. Title: Census - 1920 - IL Chicago T625_337; ED 1555; pg 14A; Image 525
      Repository:
      Media: Book
    6. Title: Census - 1930 IL - Chicago T626_495; ED 1936; pg 4B; Image 1040
      Repository:
      Media: Book
    7. Title: E-Mail - Dolly Hauf 16 Nov 2001
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Text: Death date from obit in Chicago Tribune. Died in Swedish Covenant Hosp. Chicago, Illinois.
    8. Title: E-Mail - Dolly Hauf 28 Oct 2002
      Repository:
      Media: Book
    9. Title: Vital Record - IL, Cook County - Marriage
      Note: Source Media Type: Book
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Page: Cert # 117081
      Text: Marriage between John Voss and Bertha (Kobenuz) Kobernuss by J.E.A. Mueller, Ev. Luth Minister, Pastor, Lakeview ILL,
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