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  • ID: I63170
  • Name: Geoffrey de Say II 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1180 3
  • Death: 24 OCT 1230 in Gascoign, France
  • Note: Geoffrey de Say II, 2nd but 1st surv. s. and h. by 1st wife, was b. probably about 1155. In 1180 in the account of the farm of the Vicomte of Arques he is acquitted in respect of a liability of "for the land of Geoffrey de Sai which he had with the wife of Hugh de Periers." In the same year he was amerced at the Forest Assize in respect of Hudwic' & Dodinton' (Ditton Priors, Salop); and, again in 1180, with the consent of his wife, he delivered to the prior of Wenlock his manor of Ditton Priors, which was her dower from Hugh de Periers. In 1190 Michael Belet accounted for 100? to have right against him of the inheritance of his wife and to have his office. In 1198 he was bailiff of Arques. In 1202 Ralph Tesson, seneschal of Normandy, was ordered to see that Geoffrey de Say the younger had a hundred librates (of the money of Anjou) of the land of Juhel de Mayenne to replace the land which he had lost through the war. In 1203 the King directed the bailiffs of Caen to give to Geoffrey de Say seisin of a manor, the name of which is obliterated, which he held deprestito of King Richard, and which was of the fee of Earl William. In 1204 a notification issued taking the lands of Geoffrey de Say into the French King's demesne. In 1206 he appears as a pledge for Gerard de Furnival. On 15 Apr. 1208 the sheriff of Kent was directed to put Geoffrey de Say the younger into possession of that moiety of the manor of Burn which Ralph Tesson held. Presumably in 1210, he was with the army in Ireland, with his br. Ingram. In 1214 Geoffrey made fine in 400 marks to have his father's lands: and in the same year the sheriffs of Kent, Herts, Bucks, Sussex, Middlesex, and Northampton had orders to give him seisin of the lands which had been his father's. He took part with the Barons against the King and was one of the 25 app. to enforce the observance of Magna Carta.Q With R. Earl of Clare, R. FitzWalter, and the mayor and two or three or four citizens of London he had letters of safe conduct on 9 Nov. 1215 to speak with the Bishop of Winchester and others to treat of peace between the King and the Barons. In Oct. 1215 the King gave to Piers de Crohun all Geoffrey's lands except the manor of Greenwich. In July 1217 two of his knights had letters of safe conduct to go to London as hostages; and in 1217 his lands in Kent, Essex and Sussex were restored to him. In 1219 he went on pilgrimage to the Holy Land and in 1223, apparently with William Earl de Warenne, to St. James [of Compostella]. In 1221 he was allowed his scutage for the army of Bytham on the fees which he held in chief, which suggests that he was with the army. He went to France with the King in Apr. 1230, taking with him his son William.

    Father: Geoffrey de Say I b: BEF 1136
    Mother: Alice de Chesney

    Marriage 1 Hawise de Clare
      1. Has Children William de Say III b: BEF 1209

      1. Author: Douglas Richardson
        Title: "Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families", 2nd Edition
        Publication: Date: 2011;
        Page: Vol 3, p. 495, 496
      2. Author: I. J. Sanders
        Title: "English Baronies"
        Publication: Name: Clarendon Press; Location: Oxford; Date: 1960;
          Name: University of Georgia Library

        Source Medium: Book
        Page: p. 98, 123, 135
      3. Author: Douglas Richardson
        Title: "Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families"
        Publication: Name: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc; Location: Baltimore, Maryland; Date: 2005;
          Name: Prokasy Library

        Page: p. 727

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