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  • ID: I2655
  • Name: Philip George GRIFFIN
  • Given Name: Philip George
  • Surname: Griffin 1 2 3
  • Name: George Griffin
  • Given Name: George Griffin
  • Surname:
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1830 in Newry
  • Death: 1905 in New Zealand 4
  • Event: NOTE
  • Note:
    ROs Davies has a reference to a George GRIFFIN: of Water St , Newry; a painter & glazier in 1824. This tallies with th e family story by his grandson Fred GRIFFIN:
    Father's forebears were, if not gentry since they were in b usiness, at least genteel. They were an old Newry family , Mother loved to tell us. My great-grandfather and his br other had a business as decorators and sent painters all ov er Ireland, England and Scotland, even to France -- thoug h why the French should have hired Irishmen to paint thei r houses I never could understand, unless it was in gratitu de for Fontenoy. Mother relished the shadow, however fain t in her day, cast by this nobility of her husband's folk a nd gathered to her heart every little scrap of informatio n about it she could find.
    «tab»«tab»"Your great-grandmother and your great-great-aunt s," she would tell me in a tone that never failed to inspir e awe, "all wore white silk stockings," This in a period wh en only rich and great ladies wore even black silk stocking s, lesser women being content with woolen or cotton stockin gs. "They were magnificent women, your great-great-aunts b eing very tall like your Aunt Eva in Dublin, and were ver y proud. When they passed in their carriage or walked thro ugh the streets of Newry people turned their heads." Poo r Mother! Newry people had ceased to turn their heads whe n a Griffin passed.
    «tab»«tab»But between such nobility and us lay a barrier . That barrier was my Grandfather, heir of these great dec orators and Father's father. He may not have been a prodig al son but he proved a prodigal father and grandfather. Ed ucated abroad, he had turned his back on trade and set up a s a landed gentleman, his father having bought him a plac e in South Armagh. There, I learned in hushed accents, h e roistered, hunting, shooting, drinking and painting, no t after the fashion of his father's men but as an artist : Mother used to point out secretly on the walls of Liscal got, home of my great-uncle Elia Gilmore, a painting of a b race of pheasants and some snipes, quite dead, which he ha d executed in oils. There was a legend that he used to was h his hair with eggs, a sign of gentility even greater tha n the white silk stockings of his mother and aunts. In hi s day the washing of heads in Ireland, even with soap, wa s not a common practice. "Nits" were removed with a fine co mb, which was considered cleanliness enough in many quarter s.
  • _UID: A3F09D5A32704B59A1691B93CEA39EFA915E
  • Change Date: 7 Jul 2016 at 07:04



    Father: George GRIFFIN

    Marriage 1 Margaret GILMORE b: 7 Sep 1834 in Liscalgot, Co. Armagh
    • Married: 15 Apr 1854 in St. Marys Church Of Ireland Newry 5 6
    • Change Date: 22 Mar 2016
    Children
    1. Has No Children Anna Eliza GRIFFIN b: 20 Dec 1854 in Drumbally, Parish Of Creggan, Co. Armagh
    2. Has No Children Samuel George GRIFFIN b: 3 Sep 1856 in Drumbally, Parish Of Creggan, Co. Armagh
    3. Has Children John Gilmore GRIFFIN b: 23 Oct 1858 in Corrinary, County Monaghan or Liscalgot, Creggan Parish, Co. Armagh c: in Creggan
    4. Has No Children Frederick Richard GRIFFIN b: 23 Oct 1858 in Corrinary, County Monaghan or Liscalgot, Creggan Parish, Co. Armagh
    5. Has No Children Eva GRIFFIN b: Abt 1860
    6. Has No Children Nancy GRIFFIN

    Sources:
    1. Abbrev: Walter Richardson Tree
      Title: Walter Richardson Tree
    2. Abbrev: Conjecture by Sharon Oddie Brown
      Title: Conjecture by Sharon Oddie Brown
      Quality: 3
      Text: There is enough circumastantial evidence that I suspect tha t Philip George GRIFFIN couild be a grandson of Phil GRIFFI N & Sarah JACKSON.His children were all baptised at Cregga n Church even though they wereborn at County Monaghan.

      Places to look next: There was a head constable Robert GRIF FIN servingat Crossmaglen. (p239 Agrarian disturbances arou nd Crossmaglen)
    3. Abbrev: PRONI MIC/1/11
      Title: PRONI MIC/1/11
      Quality: 3
      Text: George & Margaret are described as coming from Drumbally o r Dunany,Parish of Deramoyne, Co. Monaghan BUT Drumbally i s also described asbeing in the Parish of Creggan, Co. Arma gh in www.seanruad.com
    4. Abbrev: Note
      Title: Note
      Quality: 3
      Text: Walter Richardson noted that there was a Philip George Grif fin (Philipis spelled Phillip) who died in NZ in 1905 age 7 6. Record #1905/2191This is most likely our man. I have no t ordered the records.
      http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/Home/
    5. Abbrev: http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/html/index2.htm
      Title: http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/html/index2.htm
      Text: This is a link made on the basis of a hunch - but a lot fit s to makeit likely. Firstly, the first birth of a child. Se condly, theappearance of the name "Gilmore" as a middle nam e for a son. Thirdly,geography.

      NEWRY MARRIAGE:
      Griffen, Phillip George Age: 24 Marriage
      Wife: Margaret Gilmer Age: 19
      Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1854
      Husband's Father: George Griffin
      Wife's Father: Samuel Gilmer
    6. Abbrev: Emerald Ancestors
      Title: Emerald Ancestors
      Text: Record Type: Civil Marriage
      Date of Marriage: 15 Apr 1854
      Groom Name: Phillip George GRIFFEN
      Bride Name: Margaret GILMER
      Church: Saint Marys Church of Ireland
      Parish: Newry
      Civil District: Newry
      County: Down
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