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  • ID: I66671
  • Name: Madeline Renee de CROIX
  • Surname: Croix
  • Given Name: Madeline Renee de
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 1565 in Angers, Anjou, France
  • Death: 1625 in Leyden, Holland
  • _UID: 69183342070CDA11A0D88CB4B0EBDC577A55
  • Note:

    Further research resulted in this information from "Les Plus Anciennes Familles du Monde" b y J.H. de Randeck, Editions Slatrme Geneve 1984: de Croix Ancienne chevalerie de la Flandre w allonne ou elle posseda le fief de Croix situe en la chatellenie de Lille. Son premiere auteu r,
    I. Eustache, Seigneur de Croix et de Mandres, Chevalier, suivit son prince, le Comte de Fland re et de Hainaut, Baudouin IX, dan l'expedition en Terre Sainte. Mais les fatigues d'un si lo ng voyage lui couterent la vie et il mourut a Constantinople en 1202. De Mathilde, il avait l aisse.
    II. a) Gilles Chevalier,
    b) Jean I, Chevalier, et
    c) Wauthier, Chanoine, puis Eveque de Tournai en 1251, mort en 1266. Le fils de Jean I et d e sa femme nee Isabeau de Lannoy.
    III. Jean II, laissa de jeanne de la Viefville, entre autres,
    IV. Olivier, Seigneur de Durnez, qui epousa Agnes de Langlee, d'ou.
    X. Pierre, Seigneur de Bus etc., epoux d'Esther Herlin, fille du Seigneur de Jeullain, dont.
    XI. Baudoin II de Croix, Chevalier, Seigneur de Heuchin, etc., qui se trouva aux batailles d e Rocroy et de Tournai et mourut en 1637. Il abait epouse en 1613 Anne de Locquenghien, fill e du sire d'Oudenarde. Leur arriere-arriere-petit-fils,
    XV. Alexandre, Marquis de Croix, Chevalier de Saint Louis, espousa en 1750 la Comtessa Mari e Anne de Groesbeck, dont.
    XVI. Charles, Marquis de Croix, depute de la noblesse de la province d'Artois en 1789, alor s age de 29 ans. Pair de France en 1814, il avait epouse, le 22 novembre 1802, Augustine, fil le du Marquis de Vasse, vidame du Mans. Ils sont les ancetres directs de l'actuel.
    XXI. Marquis de Croix et des autres agnats, residant en Belgique et en France.

    I believe the gentleman below is probably related to the French de Croix family, though he i s certainly not in our direct line:

    From the Encyclopedia Brittanica:
    Clerfayt, Charles Joseph de Croix, Graf von (1733-1798), Austrian field marshal, was born a t Bruille in Hainaut on Oct. 14, 1733. He entered the Austrian Army in 1753, distinguished hi mself during the Seven Years' War (1756-63) and also took part in the Turkish War of 1787. I n 1792, he was given command of the Austrian contingent in the duke of Brunswick's army. Hi s corps was conspiciously successful at Croix-sous-Bois and inflicted a heavy defeat on the F rench. In the Netherlands in 1793 he had initial successes at Aldenhoven and at the siege o f Maestricht and a decisive victory at Neerwinden (March 18, 1793). After that his fortunes c hanged: he was defeated at Wattignies, and his campaign in West Flanders in the following yea r was also unsuccessful. Clerfayt succeeded the Duke of Saxe-Coburg as commander in chief, bu t his troops were outclassed by the French and withdrew east of the Rhine. By 1795, he had b ecome a field marshal and was commanding on the middle Rhine against Jourdan, whom he defeate d at Hochst (Oct. 11, 1795) and Mainz. The armistice terms which he concluded were badly rece ived in Vienna and he resigned.

    It is my conclusion that it is likely that Madeline was in fact not a daughter of the Count o f Anjou, but rather a daughter of the de Croix family in the Chatelleine of Lilly. The reason ing is that Wicres, the du Bois home, is located in the immediate vicinity to the southwest b etween Lille and Basse. The city of Croix is located just north of Lille. Thus, the surname , de Croix. Contradicting this conclusion is her birthplace, Angers, which has always been th e Anjou home. I believe the information below supports my conclusion.

    Importance: A good portion of the royalty of the time was related in some fashion or anothe r to Anjou. The Capet first were Counts of Anjou. See Jadwiga of Anjou and his importance i n the renaissance of Eastern Central Europe. In the 10th century, an adventurer of Frankish o rigin arrived in Anjou and was made Forester of the King's lands. He did a good job and was g radually promoted. He or his son became Count d'Anjou. His descendants were Fulk le Rechin (t he Red), Fulk le Jeune, then Geoffrey Plantagenet. The later members of this line are directl y decended from Charlemagne. Geoffrey married Matilda, the daughter of Henry I, of England, t he son of William the Conqueror, the son of Robert I, the Demon, Son of Richard II, Son of Ri chard I, son of William Longsword, son of Rollo, Duke of Normandy. The son of Geoffrey and Ma tilda became the English King Henry II and married Eleanor of Acquitaine, of whom you no doub t have heard. This started the 100 years war. Some notable descendants of this line are Edwar d the Black Prince, King Richard I the Lionheart, King John, King Henry III, John of Gaunt. H enry's son Geoffrey and his son Arthur became Counts of Anjou.

    Henry III assumed the title, then renounced claim to Anjou in 1259.

    Charles then became Count of Anjou. He was the son of Isabelle of Aragon and Philip III de Va lois (1270-1285). The succession was as follows: Philip VI (1328-1350), who became King of Fr ance when his cousin, the last Capetian died in 1328, John II, King of France (1350-64), Loui s I, Duke of Anjou, d 1384, Louis II, Duke of Anjou, d 1417. The last of this line was Rene , who died in 1480. He had four legitimate daughters, Margaret d'Anjou, Queen of England, Yol anda, Yvonne, and Yvette, as well as an illegitimate son and daughter. Yolanda became Duches s of Lorraine and ultimately founded the line which caused our Protestant ancestors extreme g rief, both in France (the Duke of Guise and his brother the Cardinal) and in England (Mary, Q ueen of Scots.) Margaret was kicked out of England after the Lancaster side lost in the War o f the Roses and then was forced to "sell" Anjou to Louis the Spider in return for an annual s tipend. I am not sure what happened to the third daughter and the illegitimate children "disa ppeared," if they survived, which which is doubtful given the active interest of Louis the Sp ider.

    The succession then "devolved upon the crown," which meant essentially that members of the Ro yal Family became the Dukes d'Anjou. Henry III (1551-1589), son of King Henry II and Catherin e de Medici, became Duke of Anjou, probably at a young age. He then became King of Poland, wh ich he abandoned, then King of France (1574-1589). He was married to Louise de Lorraine, a da ughter of the Duke of Guise. Francois (1554-1584), Duke of Alencon then became Duke of Anjou . Henry de Navarre, who had married Marguerite de Valois, divorced her when he became King o f France and married Marie de Medici. This ended the Valois line in France.

    However, note that Catherine of Valois (1401-37) daughter of Charles VI of France, married He nry V of England, became the mother of Henry VI, and married Owen Tudor after Henry V's death , from which the House of Tudor (Henry VIII, Lady Jane Grey, Elizabeth I) is decended. Note a lso that she supported the Lancastrian side in the War of Roses and was executed. Her daughte r was married to Maximillien I, Emperor of Austria. Also, the House of Valois founded the Val ois-Durazzo line (Kings of Naples & Sicily) and also married into the Hungarian Royal Family . Other notable relatives were Philip the Fair and Philip the Bold, Dukes of Burgundy .

    Problem: Madeleine de Croix was born in 1565 and her parents in the 1530s. Henry III was bor n in 1551, which would have made him 14 years of age at the time of Madeleine's birth. Franco is was born in 1554, which would have made him 11. There is strong evidence that Henry III po ssessed little interest in women. It is logical to assume that the parents of Madeleine, if i n fact Count and Countess of Anjou, must have been installed by an earlier King.

    Louis XI (1461-83) the Spider was King when Rene died. Charles VIII succeeded him (1483-98) . Louis XII succeeded him and was married to a sister of King Henry VIII. Francis(1494-1547 ) succeeded him. Francis had seven children. Louise (1515-1517), Charlotte (1516-24), Franci s (1518-36), Henry II, King of France (1519-59), Madeleine (1520-37), Charles (1522-45), an d Margaret (1523-74). Louis XI had two daughters. I am not sure of the descendants of Charle s VIII. Of the seven children of Francis, only Francis was old enough to be a grandparent o f Madeleine and he died at age 18. Henry II had a mistress, who he loved. His age during th e 1530s would have been from 11 to 21. Again, possible, but unlikely. This leaves some descen dant of Louis XI, XII, or Charles VIII. None of them have appropriate descendants.

    This brings up the issue of Catherine de Medici. She planned Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacr e in 1572 by inviting the Protestant nobility to the wedding of her daughter Marguerite de Va lois to King Henry of Navarre. The Marquis Jacques Louis Wallerund du Bois was born in 1560 a nd would have been age 12 at the time. He died in Leyden, Holland, so he was certainly a Prot estant. Thus, his presence in France at any time after 1572 would have been unpleasant both t o the de Medici and the Guise. So how did he become a Marquis? This is not a trivial title. I n the ranks of English nobility, it is above Earl and below Duke. The same is the case for Fr ench nobility. The Du Bois were located near the City of Lille, France which was changing han ds during the relevant era.

    The next 40 years of European history were dominated by a diplomatic struggle between the Val ois and the Hapsburg families. Obviously, Lille was in the middle of all of this. Thus, du Bo is or De Croix might be at a given time Burgundian, French, or Spanish or Austrian. A look a t the maps of the time indicate that this area of France did not support the Burgundians, eve n though it was part of their domain. Thus their absence in Burgundian records. On the othe r hand, French nobility might not consider Lille nobility French etc.

    With this background given, I state that I have not yet found a connection between Du Bois an d Anjou. The first problem I have experienced is that the source documentation at Stanford Un iversity is in French and I do not speak or read French. The second problem is that D'Anjou i s not documented as well as Bourbon in the Encyclopedias because the time concerned is earlie r. What I have found indicates that Madeleine de Croix has no connection with Anjou.
  • Change Date: 8 Feb 2009 at 17:44:22



    Father: Francois de CROIX b: ABT 1537 in Anjers, Anjou, France
    Mother: Catherine de PREYS b: ABT 1541

    Marriage 1 Jacques Louis Wallerund DU BOIS b: 1560 in Wicres, La Basse, Normandy, France
    • Married: 1583 in Wicres, La Bassa, Lilli, Artois
    Children
    1. Has No Children Sarrjente De Croix DU BOIS b: 1587
    2. Has No Children Louis Coyne DU BOIS b: 1590
    3. Has No Children Jean Dit de Fiennes DU BOIS b: 1591
    4. Has No Children Louis DU BOIS b: 1593
    5. Has No Children Martella DU BOIS b: 1594
    6. Has No Children Franchois Frose DU BOIS b: 1595
    7. Has Children Chretian [Christian] Maximilian DU BOIS des Fiennes b: 1597 in Wicres, La Bassa, Lilli, Artois, France
    8. Has No Children Jacques DU BOIS b: 1600
    9. Has No Children Xavier DU BOIS b: 1602
    10. Has No Children Pierre DU BOIS b: 1608
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