From: Robert Schneider [mailto:robert_s_63134@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:06 PM
To: patnoble@aol.com
Subject: Elihu Carr

Hi Pat!

I have corresponded with you before concerning a Carr
family that lived in Jackson County, AL then Saline
County, IL and Stone County, MO. I thought I'd let
you know that I just got some new information on Elihu
Carr. (I still have not yet gotten anything specific
on John Carr's place of birth in SC.) [NOTE: See mentioned correspondence under Elihu Carr's father, John Carr.]

Elihu had a daughter named Martha Ann. She was born
in 1878. In 1890, Congress passed a pension act
making it possible for minor children to gain access
to a father's military pension. It turns out that
Elihu enlisted in the service on July 10, 1864 at
Galena. He mustered out July 16, 1865. In Martha
Ann's pension application, her curator indicated that
Elihu died November 19, 1881. In that application, it
shows that Elihu's wife was named Rutha Rebecca, not
Rosa or Bertha as is indicated in a number of
transcribed records. Rutha remarried a man named
Jacob Horn on October 13, 1882. The Horns can be
found in Carroll County, AR in the 1900 census, but
without children. In 1910, Jacob is back in Stone a
widower.

The pension application was made in 1891. It
indicated that Martha was disabled by fits, or foolish
spells, which the person believed to be permanent. At
this time, there is no indication that her mother was
around. She was under a curator named W.F. Webster.
This is interesting because there is a genealogy on
RootsWeb for Martha showing that she married someone
named Lemuel Alexander Jones and died in 1924. I have
written to the lady who posted it, but she wasn't able to
help me further regarding the family. I cannot
find any sign of this Jones family in the census.

So there you have it. We know what happened to Elihu,
his wife Rutha, and his daughter Martha A. right up to
1894 when the pension was stopped.

Thanks again for your work!

Robert Schneider
Berkeley MO 63134

REPLY: Robert --

Did you notice that Elihu was carried as Elisha Carr in the 1880 census, and that he and family were enumerated on the same page with Jacob Horn? The wife situation is difficult -- she was Rutha R in the 1900 census, but Rosa R in 1880 and Rebecca in 1870. Maybe the Rosa R was just a misunderstanding of Rutha by the enumerator?? I was concerned about the ten year gap in kids and wondered if the wives were the same between 1870 and 1880, but the 1900 census reveals that the wife had seven children, and only four were still alive in 1900. That could mean that she had three children in the 1868 to 1878 period and lost them all before 1880.

As for Lemuel and Martha Jones, I found them in the 1900 Federal Census for Arkansas in Sulpher, AR (Pope Co), pg 75A. The handwriting is awful -- I wish you luck. It looks like Lem and Marthy Jones. They married about 1894 and had two children in that census. The dob for Martha is about right -- Oct 1879. (She was one yr old in 1880)

Personal information

Name: Martha Jones
Home in 1900: Sulphur, Pope, Arkansas
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1880
Birthplace: Missouri
Race: White
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Occupation: View Image
Image source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Sulphur, Pope, Arkansas; Roll: T623 72; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 173.

I don't know if you have an Ancestry subscription, but this is the link:
http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7602&iid=ART623_ 72-0540&desc=Martha+Jones&pid=75877871

I'm glad to have helped in some way. Digging in original records is always best. I of course haven't been able to chase down original records on all the Carrs. Thanks for reporting back your findings.
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From: Robert Schneider [mailto:robert_s_63134@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 7:49 PM
To: Pat Noble
Subject: RE: Elihu Carr

Hi Pat!

I want to take a few minutes here to answer your letter. Some of the things you mentioned have struck
me, too.

Yes, I did notice the Elisha for Elihu switch in 1880. I thought perhaps Elisha was a middle name, but the
pension application showed Elihu J. So much for that idea. I guess it was a slip of the census taker.

The proximity to Jacob Horn also struck me. How about this? Two years later Jacob Horn's wife Mary was out of the picture, Elihu was dead, and Rutha remarried Jacob. Quite a set of coincidences.

I still haven't been able to trace Elihu's sister Bethana or Bethany or Bertha. I had seen the marriage
record from Stone County showing a marriage between Burtha Carr and Jacob Horn. I originally thought that was Bethana mistranscribed, but obviously it turned out to be Rutha. Rutha Rebecca that is.

Now we come to another issue. There is a marriage record from Stone showing a marriage between Elihu and Rebecca Lawson in 1870. The pension application mentions that marriage but doesn't contain a copy of the license. Elihu in 1880 and in 1870 shows children named Mary E. (born abt 1860) and James H. (born abt. 1868). Were they illegitimate? or were they children by an earlier marriage? If so, where is the marriage record? I can't find one listed in Stone County.

Interestingly, I can't find any record of those kids after 1880. I did a little census searching and found
a James Carr in Woodruff County, AR who was born in MO, wife named Myrtle. I have no way, though, to
connect him to Elihu. I would like to get in touch with the experts in Stone to see if an epidemic swept
the area in the early 1880s. That might explain the disappearance of everybody.

Thanks a million for pointing me in the right direction on the census matter. I found the families
in 1900 and 1910. In 1910 Lem is named Lemetta. I know now that the RootsWeb genealogy was accurate. There is now another issue, however. That Rootsweb genealogy containing Elihu shows that he married
someone name Rebecca Applegate. Now what's going on?

Finally, have you seen the 1876 Stone County Ag census? In the matter of what happened to Nancy
Taylor Carr, there is a Nancy E. Kerr living right next door to the Edwards family (in laws) on one side,
the Horn family on the other side, and two families from the Taylors (blood relations). It also shows
Elihu's wife named Kathy! So much for transcriptions!

Thanks again!

Robert Schneider
Berkeley MO 63134
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From: Pat Noble [mailto:patnoble@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:12 PM
To: Robert Schneider
Subject: RE: Elihu Carr

John and Carolina Lawson, 45 TN and 43 TN, are enumerated in the 1860 Federal Census for Missouri next door to William and Bertha Lawson, ages 17 TN and 16 MO, respectively. They are all neighbors of Joseph and Elizabeth Applegate, 62 VA and 50 TN and family (MO), and family. They all live in Buchanan, MO (Taney Co).

Looks to me that Bertha Applegate married William Lawson, who probably went off to war and died and she remarried as Rebecca Lawson in 1870. The clue was when she married Jacob Horn in 1882 as Bertha R Carr. I had checked earlier census records for Rosa, Rebecca and Rutha, but not Bertha.

1860 United States Federal Census records matching your search for Bertha Lawson
All Records > Census > 1860 United States Federal Census > Individual View

Name: Bertha Lawson
Age in 1860: 16
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1860: Buchanan, Taney, Missouri
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: Little Beaver
Roll: M653_658
Page: 0
Year: 1860
Head of Household: William Lawson
Household

To be sure I went back to 1850 and looked at Joseph Applegate, who was living in Dallas, MO (Greene Co). His daughter was listed as Ruthy R Applegate!!

Oh, yeah! Fourth of July, baby.

Pat

• Married: 06 FEB 1870 in Missouri (Stone Co) ¹²

1. James H Carr b: ABT 1868 in Missouri
2. Mary E Carr b: ABT 1866 in Missouri
3. Martha Ann Carr b: 1878 in Missouri
4. Unknown Carr

1. Title: 1870 Federal Census for Missouri
2. Title: 1860 Federal Census for Missouri
   Note:
   Source Medium: Book
   
3. Title: 1850 Federal Census for Alabama
   Text: Age 4 M AL
4. Title: Corrupted Source Title
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5. Title: 1880 Federal Census for Missouri
6. Title: 1850 Federal Census for Alabama
7. Title: Ancestry.com
   Note:
   Source Medium: Book
   
   Text: Missouri Marriages 1851-1900 - Marriage in 1870
8. Title: 1870 Federal Census for Missouri
   Text: Age 23 M HH AL
9. Title: 1860 Federal Census for Missouri
   Note:
   Source Medium: Book
   
   Text: Age 12 M TN
10. Title: 1880 Federal Census for Missouri
    Text: Age 49 M HH TN TN NC
11. Title: 1860 Federal Census for Missouri
    Note:
    Source Medium: Book
    
    Text: Living with his mother
12. Title: Ancestry.com
    Note:
    Source Medium: Book
    
    Text: Missouri Marriages 1851-1900