Hardin Clay Roots #1

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Everyone in this tree is related "someway" to me. My Y-DNA (Father's line) is of the Haplogroup "G-P303" ( I have an DNA match with another descendant of Jan Auckesze Van Nuys Born abt 1650 and Barbara Provoost ) - My X-DNA (Mother's Line) is of the haplogroup V1A

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  • ID: I186087
  • Name: Thomas Cissell
  • Given Name: Thomas
  • Surname: Cissell
  • Suffix: Sir Knight
  • Name: Thomas Cecil
  • Given Name: Thomas
  • Surname: Cecil
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 30 Sep 1578 in Burghley House, Lincolnshire, England 1 2
  • Christening: 1 Jan 1579 St Martins, Stamford, England
  • Death: 3 Dec 1662 in Stamford, England 1 2
  • Burial: 3 Dec 1662 St Martin's, Burghley, Lincolnshire 1 2
  • Ancestral File #: B3LL-T6 3 4 5 6
  • Event: Records Records 1607 Virginia Charter 2
  • _UID: E143758C2DB049978DF58DCD42D40D0CED68
  • Note:
    Alias: Sir Knight Thomas /Cecil/ There isyet to be p roof that this Thomas Cecil was the engraver who came to Ma ryland, nor that the Thomas Cecil who married Susan Oxenbri dge fathered these children, it is still speculative. Burke 's Peerage does not give this 2nd marriage to Susan Oxenbri dge, but the Oxenbridge family is very clear that the marri age, which is documented in London marriage records, was t o Sir Thomas Cecil".

    From: Adrian (Surrey, UK) AChanning@CompuServe.Com "I am no t to keen on the suggested connection Thomas Cecil (1542-16 22/3) 2nd Lord Burghley and 1st EarlExeter > Thomas (1578- ) as being the Thomas Cecil engraver and map maker and show n as dying 1664 (can't remember the exact date). This make s him pretty old, and I have the Thomas (1578-) as member o f the merchant tailors guild rather than anything to do wit h engraving. However I think it was a condition of tradin g in London to be a member of one of the recognized guild s and I don't think it always signifies the persons trade , although I think he would have had to have been apprentic ed to a merchant tailor." Notes from Salisbury Family Genea logy:" Was an engraver in London. In 1635 he came to Maryla nd and made the first map for the state and was paid by th e Crown in land. He returnedto England where he died. He re turned to England and died in 1662. In 1658 his son, John , came to Maryland to look after his interests. He settle d in St.Mary's County." There is some confusion on this Tho mas Cecil's parents. But Ican find no documentation to beli eve he is the same person as Thomas Cecil, the engraver. El ise Greenup Jourdan quotes a letter from a Mrs. Lynda Louis e Cole, a notorized affidavit as a Cecil cousin, that the T homas who was the son of the Earl of Exeter, drowned at se a with his only child, a daughter. source;magadtenet London : - Marriage Licences, 1520-1610 Burials. Marriage Licence s Granted by the Bishop of London. 1605. County: London Cou ntry: England 05 Jun 1605 Mr Thomas Cecill, Esq., about 24 , son of Rt Hon. Thomas, Earl of Exeter, of the Savoy, & Mi ss Anne Lee, Maiden, 18, dau. of Sir Robert Lee,Kt & Alderm an of London, of St Andrew Undershaft, both fathers consent ing; at St Andrew Undershaft aforesaid Notes Some genealogi es show him as the son Thomas CECIL(d.1662), an engraver o f London who came to MD to make maps, and was paid in land . He later returned to England where he died. Supposedly, h e was the son of Thomas CECIL(1544-1622), Lord Burghley, wh o m.1564 Dorothy, dauJohn NEVILLE. This line is unproven, a nd the current consensus of Cecil researcher is that John w as the son of William, q.v. Also seen him as the descenden t of a Henry CECIL (b.1577), grandson of Lord Burleigh (th e Great Cecil).

    The tie in to Thomas Cecil (and Susan Oxenbridge) to the im migrantJohnCecil/Cissell is still speculative and does no t havedocumentation-asdoes the tie in of this Thomas Ceci l to Sir ThomasCecil.  I am hopingto find a secondary sou rce through theOxenbridge side

    Notes from Salisbury Family Genealogy: Was an engraver i n London.In1635 he came to Maryland and made the first ma p for the state andwaspaid by the Crown in land. He return ed to England where he died.In1658 his son, John, came to M aryland to look after his interests.Johnsettled in St. Mary 's Co. There is some confusion on this ThomasCecil'sparents . Some confuse him with Sir Thomas Cecil b c 1578, whomarr ied AnnLee, but I can find no reason to believe he is the s ameperson as ThomasCecil, the engraver, who married Susan O xenbridge.Elise Greenup Jourdanquotes a letter from a Mrs . Lynda Louise Cole, anotorized affidavit as aCecil cousin , that the Thomas who was the sonof the Earl of Exeter,drow ned at sea with his only child, a daughter.

    Believed to be the engraver who made a map of Maryland fo r LordBaltimore. There is no proof available to show he wa s ever in MD.(Walter V. Ball)

    Take a look at this web sitehttp://www.virginiagenealogy.co m/page102.html

    It's on the Second Virginia Charter, May 23, 1609, and it l istsassigners, among many others, Sir Edward Cecill, Knigh t (Cecil),SirHenrie Nevill, Knight (Nevil), Sir Robert Payn e, Knight, SirDudleyDiggs, Knight (Digges), Captaine Clakre , George Calvert,Esquire,William Oxenbridge, Esquire (coul d he perhaps be related to theSusanOxenbridge who married T homas Cecil the Engraver?);ChristopherNicholls, John Garden er (Gardiner); John Gilbert (could thisalso beGuilbert?), W illiam Payne, and Christopher Nicholds(ChristopherHolt).

    (Note: according to the Oxford Reference, Esquire is use d when noothertitle is available, and in this case, I belie ve generally refersto menwho were major landholders in a co untry district but did nothold anyhigher peerage title.)

    This was an investment group based in London, Bristoll, Exe ter, thetownof Plymouth and a few other places, that was se t up to developcertaincolonies in Virginia. I think it i s interesting because itties certainnames together who ma y or may not have actuallyimmigrated to VA as aconsequence , but thereby did have landholdinginterests. It also impli esthat if they did not immigrate, maybetheir children and/o r grandchildrendid. Certainly George Calvert wastied to la ter founding of Marylandcolony in St. Mary's. I amparticula rly interested in any of these men'sties to the Marylandimm igrants in St. Mary's and Prince George's County,includin g theCecil's, and Oxenbridge's.

    I sent on that info on the Second Virginia Charter earlie r with Edward Cecil's name. I just looked at it again, an d the 7th name down isThomas, Earle of Exeter, who of cours e, is father to Edward Cecil b1571, who has shown up in Vir ginia Census according to Jim Cissell'sresearch. This Edwar d had one known legitimate child, Albinia b1595and marrie d to Christopher Wray in Surrey England. One of Edward's b rother's was the Thomas Cecil that it is claimed was the en graver and the 5th son. M

    Father: Thomas Cheke Cissell b: 5 May 1542 in St. Mary The Great, Cambridgeshire, England c: in St.Mary The Great, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
    Mother: Dorothy Neville b: 1548 in Yorkshire , England

    Marriage 1 Anna Lee b: Abt 1580
    • Married: 5 Jun 1605 in Burghley 1 7 8 2
    • Change Date: 19 Jan 2014
    1. Has No Children Benjamin Cissell b: 1606
    2. Has No Children Charles Cissell b: 1608
    3. Has No Children Dorothy Cissell b: 1610
    4. Has No Children Ann Cissell b: 1612
    5. Has No Children Frances Cissell b: 1614
    6. Has No Children Isaac Cissell b: 1616

    Marriage 2 Susan Oxenbridge b: 2 Dec 1617 in Burwash, Sussex, England
    • Married: Abt 1634 in Burwash, Sussex, England 1 7 8 2
    • Change Date: 19 Jan 2014
    1. Has No Children Henry Cissell b: Bet 1634 and 1635 in England
    2. Has No Children William Cissell b: 1634 in England
    3. Has Children John Baptist Cissell b: 1638 in England

    1. Abbrev: James Cecil Family Jan Update.GED.FTW
      Title: James Cecil Family Jan Update.GED.FTW
    2. Abbrev: February 27, 2004 Tree.FTW
      Title: February 27, 2004 Tree.FTW
    3. Media: Electronic File
      Abbrev: GEDCOM File : cecil.ged
      Title: GEDCOM File : cecil.ged
      Author: Barbara Cecil Fitzgerald
      65 Upland Road Colorado Springs, Colorado 80906 719-633-32 55 bcf855@nwws.com
      Quality: 3
      Date: 13 Jul 1999
    4. Abbrev: Hayes, Nick
      Title: "Nick Hares & Sue Drake - Root and Branch," supplied by Hay es, 20-4-2009.
      Author: compiled by Nick Hayes [(E-ADDRESS) FOR PRIVATE USE\,]
      Text: Downloaded from the Nick Hayes-Sue Drake family tree
        Name: n/a

        UCLA Research Library
    5. Abbrev: Gedcom File provided by
      Title: Gedcom File provided by
      Text: Gedcom File provided by
      SOURCES: LDS FHL AF# (familysearch.org) AWTP: "Ancest ors of Rohan Letchworth" Ries Behling rjbcrb@hotmail.com
      Record originated in...
      Page: Brent Ruesch, November 21, 2002
      Quality: 2
    6. Abbrev: D Blocher.GED
      Title: D Blocher.GED
      Merged 29/03/2009 22:10
      Quality: 3
      Note: Record originated in...
    7. Media: Electronic File
      Abbrev: GEDCOM File : cecil.ged
      Title: GEDCOM File : cecil.ged
      Author: Barbara Cecil Fitzgerald
      65 Upland Road Colorado Springs, Colorado 80906 719-633-32 55 bcf855@nwws.com
      Date: 13 Jul 1999
    8. Abbrev: D Blocher.GED
      Title: D Blocher.GED
      Merged 29/03/2009 22:10
      Note: Record originated in...

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