Name: Thomas Vernon
Given Name: Thomas
Birth: Abt 1686 in Chester, Pennsylvania
Death: Abt 1777 in Cub Creek, Lunenburg, Virginia
Change Date: 13 Nov 2014 at 05:09
"Early Church Records of Delaware County, Pennsylvania"
"26th da 7th mo 1709
'THOMAS VERNON, SON OF ROBERT VERNON, OFFERED AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT"
'27th da 12th mo 1709/1710 The Chester Monthly Meeting disowned Thomas Vernon, the son of Robert dec. for "his vain and evill conversation as that of drinking to excess, loose company keeping, cursing, swearing, and lying."
So I am right Thomas is the son Robert and Elinor Vernon of Chester Co. Pennsylvania!!!!!!
In his letter dated 23 March, 1987, VFAA founder William A. Vernon maintained that Quaker brother "...Robert's son Thomas...was dismissed from the Quaker Meeting in Chester County, Pennsylvania in 1709".
In his letter dated 28 April, he states that "...Thomas was 'disowned' by the Quaker Meeting at Chester County in 1709/10. The next record of him is found in the Cub Creek settlement as one of its original settlers...in ca. 1737. For many years I had assumed that this Thomas was of Scots-Irish origin, as were most of the original 17 Cub Creek settlers. However, some of the VFAA's older searchers had concluded that he had to be the 'missing' Thomas. I now concur. His children were named, for instance, by the names also given to his 'nephews' by the older sons of Robert and Eleanor.
Compiled and Edited by John and Vernabelle Saint Hollowell, Fort Benton, MT
VERNON VIGNETTES, The Vernon Family Association of America, by William A. Vernon, June 1980, pgs. 6,7.
ANCESTORS AND DESCENDANTS OF JOHN LYMAN BEECHER, by Patricia R. Roney, Mountain View, CA 1983, pg. 289.
There is no positive proof that he was the Thomas that settled in Caldwell Settlement OF Cub Creek, VA, but the evidence is overwhelming.
His wife survived him by two years dying in 1777
He was disowned by the chickchester M M for his vain and evil way of life, drinking, swearing, and lying.
To add to this I (Janet) found this document more from Quaker Montly Meetings about Thomas Vernon being disowned by the Quakers
1710 The Chester Monthly Meeting disowned Thomas Vernon for "his vain and evil conversation as that of drinking to excess, loose company keeping, cursing, swearing, and lying."
1712 July 4, Thomas Vernon attended the wedding of his brother Jacob to Elinor Owen. 1745 Thomas Vernon took up 501 acres Cub Creek in the Caldwell Settlement started by John Caldwell, Presbyterian Minister. He was one of the first families to take up land there
The sons of immigrant ROBERT; THOMAS and JOHN, who in 1709 were 'spelled' from the Quakers for "CURSING, DRINKING AND KEEPING BAD COMPANY". No record has been found of them since they attended the wedding of their brother Jacob to Elinor Owen on 4-5-1712). Jacob received father Robert's brick massage and 330 acres later. Thomas is found living in the Caldwell Settlement at Cub Creek. John did die in Pennsylvania.
the History of Chester County, PA by Futhey and Cope
Robert Vernon came from Stoke, Cheshire,England and was a Quaker, but did not take an active part in meeting affairs as did his brothers Thomas and Randal. He conveyed his brick mesuage and 330 acres of land, where he resided, to his son jacob, just before his death in Jan or Feb 1709-10. (there is no will) His wife was the daughter of John Minshall, and sister of Thomas Minshall, a settler in
Providence. she died 7-24-1720. Their children were (1) Isaac m. 1710 Hannah Williams and Mary Sellers Marshall; (2) Jacob m. 1712, Elanor Owen, and settled in Philadelpnia later in life; (3) John m. 1702 Sarah Pyle and left 3 children Moses, Rachel and Aaron.
I have copy of the History of Chester County, PA by Futhey and Cope, there is no mention of John Vernon where he died. Strange could he have been disown by the Quakers too just like his brother Thomas. His wife and children were not so there is record of them.
Thomas, son of Robert Vernon and Eleanor Minshall, was born 1686 in Nether Provence, Chester County, and Pennsylvania. In 1809 he and two brothers were dismissed from the Quaker Society "for bad associates". Apparently Thomas and his wife became Presbyterians, in that they joined a new settlement near Cub Creek, then Charlotte County, Virginia organized by a Presbyterian minister, John Caldwell. Thomas took up 501 acres. Thereafter he and his many descendants are identified as the Vernon branch from the "Cub Creek Caldwell Settlement of Virginia" in an area later to fall in Lunenburg County. Thomas and Mary raised a large family including Isaac, Jonathan, Richard, Thomas, James, Rebecca, Madeline, Robert, and Hannah. In 1757 'Thomas and Mary conveyed their remaining homestead of 370 acres to son, Isaac, and thereafter went to live with him for the remainder of their lives.
Note by Mr. Daugherty on afterward: Thomas Vernon Sr. son of Robert b.1686 Moved to Charlotte Co.Va. later Lunenburg Co.Va. Recitation that his father, Robert Vernon of Stoke, Eng. had rec'd grant 625 ac in 1682, Delaware Co. Pa. from Wm Penn., as Quaker.
Note from Janet. Besides Thomas is other two brothers were John and Isaac but they ask forgives. Isaac and John both stay in Pennsylvania and you find their family mention in the Chester County, Pennsylvania History book but there is no mention of Thomas (that bad boy!)
"Thomas and sons, Jonathan, Thomas, Isaac and James are list in the Vernon Tithables in 1741 in Virginia"
Among the first seventeen families to take up land in Caldwell Settlement was that of Thomas Vernon, Sr. (Kegley's Virginia Frontier). Rev. John however, left the Chestnut Level, Pa. Presbyterian settlement in the spring of 1739, in the accompaniment of several children and their families, and built a home on the eastern slope of Buck Mountain in Albemarle County, some 75 miles north of cub Creek...and the Little Roanoke River in Old Brunswick. This same group had arrived in Dec. of 1727 at Newcastle, Del., from Antrim, No. Ireland.
Thomas is mention again in 1745 as being among the seventeen families who settled in the Cardwell Settlement.
In 1757, Thomas and his wife Mary deeded their homestead to their son Isaac and 370 acres of land as Isaac and his wife Elizabeth were to care for them in their old age. This deed can found in Book 6, Old Ludenburg records. Witnesses were James Cardwell, James, Robert and Richard Vernon.
There seem to substanstiate that fact that the Vernons came into the Caldwell Settlement at Cub Creek prior to 1741, when most of the Ulster Presbyterians immigrants came directly to the Virginia frontier ,some from Ireland but there others who came from Pennsylvania. The Snod, Pennsylvania area.
Records of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, embracing the Minutes of the General Presbytery and General Synod, 1706-1788, pg 138-139. (2) The 17 founders were David John and William Caldwell and William son of John Caldwell; Andrew and Thomas Cunningham; Thomas Daugherty; Richard Dudgeon, James Franklin, William Fuqua, William Hardwick; David and James Logan; Alexander McConnel, Israel Pickens, John Stewar, and Thomas Vernon as noted in Elizabeth Venable Gaines: "Cub Creek and Congregation, 1738-1838, p. 93
The Synod Church is Delaware is were John Caldwell first came to when first came to America
John CALDWELL (Joseph Alexander , John , John , William ) was born on 9 Jan 1683 in Ballyogan of Record. He died on 6 Oct 1750 in Cub Creek, Lunenburg (Charl. He was buried in Cub Creek Church, VA.
JAC NOTE: Much of the data on this line has been donated and/or collected from various sources.
BIOGRAPHY: Arrived in America 10 December 1727 at New Castle, Delaware, going then to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. About 1742 moved to Lunenburg County (now Charlotte), Virginia where they were joined by relatives, forming what is known as the "Caldwell Settlement" for many years.
The family went first to Lancaster Co., PA. in an area known as Chestnut Level. In approx.
1738 they moved to Lunenbeerg (now Charlotte) County, VA. It was known as the Caldwell Settlement on the Cub Creek area of Virginia. Some genealogy gives the date for the family migration to Virginia as about 1749, but it is duly recorded that the Cub Creek Church, which celebrated its 250th anniversary in 1986 was founded by James Caldwell in 1738.
"The story of Cub Creek may be said to commence 11 April 1738 when the Donegal Presbytery (Lancaster, Penna.) approved the supplication of John Caldwell "in behalf of himself and many families of our persuasion who are about to settle in the back parts of Virginia desiring that some members of the Synod may be appointed to wait upon that government to solicit their favour in behalf of our interest in that place". (1) John Caldwell, an elder in the Chestnut Level Presbyterian Church in Lancaster County, Penna., is the recognized founder of the Cub Creek Congregation, in which movement he was ably assisted by Andrew and Thomas Cunningham, along with 14 others who purchased land, then in Brunswick County from Richard and William Kennon."
Footnotes: (1) Records of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, embracing the Minutes of the General Presbytery and General Synod, 1706-1788, pg 138-139. (2) The 17 founders were David John and William Caldwell and William son of John Caldwell; Andrew and Thomas Cunningham; Thomas Daugherty; Richard Dudgeon, James Franklin, William Fuqua, William Hardwick; David and James Logan; Alexander McConnel, Israel Pickens, John Stewar, and Thomas Vernon as noted in Elizabeth Venable Gaines: "Cub Creek and Congregation, 1738-1838, p. 93."
Here is another site for Thomas Vernon
Father: Robert Vernon b: 1 Jan 1641 in Acton Stoke, Middlewich, Cheshire, England
Mother: Elinor Minshall b: 24 Sep 1648 in Stoke (Cheshire), England
- Note: Thomas VERNON. b. 1686, Stoke, Acton by Nantwich, Cheshire, England. (son of Robert VERNON and Elinor MINSHALL). MARRIED: Mary BROWN in 1710 in Caldwell Settlement, Cub Creek, Lunenberg, Virginia. He d. 1758, Cub Creek, Lunenburg County, Virginia. CHILDREN: JAMES VERNON. RICHARD VERNON. JONATHAN VERNON. THOMAS VERNON. JOHN VERNON. ISAAC VERNON. REBECCA VERNON. MAGDALENE VERNON.
- Change Date:
24 Nov 2011
- Jonathan Vernon b: 1712 in Chester, Pennyslvania
- Thomas Vernon b: 1713
- James Vernon b: 1716 in Lunenburg, Virginia
- Richard Vernon b: Abt 1717 in , , Pennsylvania
- Isaac Vernon b: Abt 1721 in Pennsylvania
- Rebecca Vernon b: 1721 in Lunenburg, Virginia
- Madaline Vernon b: in Lunenburg, Virginia
- John Vernon b: in Lunenburg, Virginia
- Robert Vernon b: 1721 in Lunenburg, Virginia
- Hannah Vernon b: 1727 in Lunenburg, Virginia