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  • ID: I4194
  • Name: Robert Tharp
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1740 in North Carolina
  • Death: 3 AUG 1842 in Franklin County, AL
  • Note:
    From http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=3257731&id=I105002
    Our information [possibly meaning that of Lou Pero] on Robert Tharp comes from his Revolutionary War pension application, the 1820-1840 census records for Franklin County, Alabama, and a query which family members found in "Kin Searchin", sent in by Terry Carpenter (no relation to the Tharps) of...Starkville MS. In addition, Robert Tharp's children are named in the 1874 estate settlement of his oldest son, John Tharp.
    There are several land grants in the name of Robert Tharp, but I think the two that were warranted in 1818 are probably for our Revolutionary War veteran. He had warrants 1705 and 1706, in Sec 18 & Sec 19 of Twp 6 So, Range 10 West of the Huntsville Meridian.
    Birth: 1740 in North Carolina
    Death: 3 AUG 1842 in Franklin County, Alabama

    http://www.rootsweb.com/~alfrankl/buck1.html
    In the spring of 1818, Buck [William "Buck" Hester] and his oldest son Roling, came to Franklin County, Alabama and settled about five or six miles east of Russellville near Tharp Springs.

    1820 Franklin County AL census
    Tharpe, John 11100
    Tharpe, Robert 11210
    Bureau of Land Management, Grants/Sales to Tharps
    Name Section/Township/Range Meridian Acres Date Addnl Info
    THARP, JOHN 8/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 39.98 1838/09/10
    THARP, ROBERT 13/6S/11W HUNTSVILLE 40.1 1838/09/10
    THARP, ROBERT 13/6S/11W HUNTSVILLE 40.1 1838/09/10
    THARP, ELI 7/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 0 1858/03/01
    THARP, JOHN 19/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 0 1858/03/01 ADD CERT #21966
    THARP, JOHN 19/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 39.19 1838/09/10
    THARP, JAMES 18/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 38.77 1904/07/02
    THARP, ELI 18/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 155.06 1858/03/01
    THARP, ELI 18/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 0 1858/03/01
    THARP, JOHN 18/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 114.24 1858/03/01 ADD CERT #21966
    THARP, JOHN 18/6S/10W HUNTSVILLE 77.55 1857/04/02

    From http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=3257731&id=I105002
    Our information [possibly meaning that of Lou Pero] on Robert Tharp comes from his Revolutionary War pension application, the 1820-1840 census records for Franklin County, Alabama, and a query which family members found in "Kin Searchin", sent in by Terry Carpenter (no relation to the Tharps) of...Starkville MS. In addition, Robert Tharp's children are named in the 1874 estate settlement of his oldest son, John Tharp.
    There are several land grants in the name of Robert Tharp, but I think the two that were warranted in 1818 are probably for our Revolutionary War veteran. He had warrants 1705 and 1706, in Sec 18 & Sec 19 of Twp 6 So, Range 10 West of the Huntsville Meridian.
    Birth: 1740 in North Carolina
    Death: 3 AUG 1842 in Franklin County, Alabama

    1820 Franklin County AL census. He was listed with one male over 21 (himself), 1 male under 21 (Robert?), 2 females over 21 (one of these his wife), and 1 female under 21 (Margaret?) I do not know who the extra female over 21 might have been, since both Phoebe and Mary, his daughters, were married by that time. I wondered if this could have been the woman who was over 100 living with John Tharp in 1840? Or perhaps another daughter who was not named in John Tharp's estate papers. John Tharp, Littleberry Matlock, and Jesse Hulsey are also in the 1820 census for Franklin County. This causes me to wonder where Hezekiah and Presley were in 1820.

    1830 Franklin County AL census.Robert was living next door to [son] Presley, and I copied as 1 male age 80-90 alone in the household--this census was in very bad shape, with bleed-through from other side of page, so I may have missed the wife, for I believe Robert and Mary are in the household of John Tharp in 1840.

    Since the Revolutionary War pension application is the major source of information on this man, it seems a good idea to include a transcription of the document.

    "Declaration
    In order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June the seventh 1832

    The State of Alabama Franklin County

    On this the 8 Day of March 1842 personally appeared before G W Hargatt a justice of the peace acting in and for the said county Robert Tharp a privat soldier of the Revolution now a resident of the state County above now near one one hundred years of age, who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the Benefit of the act of Congress passed june the 7th 1832 that he entered the Service of the United states at Saulsbury [Salisbury] in the state of North Carolina by contract with Capt William Tempel Cole a reagular officer and agree to serve three months.
    " I served that term of time fully out at that place while -?- F [Captain William T.] Cole was engaged in recruting Soldiers at the commencement of the Revolution war and when my term of three months expiered I was payed off by the paymaster of that place.
    I then returned to my fathers house near wilcockses Iron works on Deep River in the state of North Carolina. [Willcox Iron Works. See my second set of notes for Robert Tharp.-- Les Tate] After my return I Robert Tharp entered my second tower [tour] of duty [as] a substitute in the room [in place] of Daniel Methany who was drafted and ordered to serve three months at a station in the settelment known by the name of the Pleasent Gardens at that time for guard agaist the Indians at that station. I Served my tower of three months fully out under Capt Culpepper who Discharged me and paid me off my Monthly wagers this station was in Burk County North Carolina near the Blew [Blue] Ridge on the head of the Cautauba [Catawba] River.
    During the time I was in service at this station the Indians killed a citizen near that Station and I Robert Tharp was one of the men who brought this Dead man in an Buryed him he was by the name of Battel.
    Sum time after I was Discharged from this tower of Duty I went to the state of Georgia and there I again entered the service of the United States and was under the Command of Coln [Colonel] Duley and Capt John Clark. These officer had full command of the frunteer parts of the state of Georgia at that time and organised all the rules of spieing against the Indians, and I Robert Tharp engajed with these officers and Did Serve a spieing against the Indians when ever called by either of these officers untill a siege at Savanna when a Call was made for men to rinforce [reinforce] the army at Savanna and the-- officers ordered out a portion of choice men for that purpose, and I Robert Tharp was one of that Detachment of men, and when we joined the army at Savanna this Detachment of men were placed under the immediate cammand of French officers in Seperate Company where I Robert Tharp was put to hard labour and was kept at hard labour for the space of nine weeks prepairing ways and means to blow up the enemys fort and near the end of this nine weeks a Councel was held by the French and Merican {American] officers perscribing the way by which they wold attack the Enemys fort when it was agreed upon that the French officer on thier part that they wold March in frunt up to the Kings gate and they Americans ware to attack at other parts of the fort. This attack was made in my present altho this plan failed in consequence of the grate muler(number?) of the French army being slain in attempting to storm they enemies fort.
    The American officer which I recollect in part at this late hour is the following ways Genrl [General] Morgan in chief as I Believe and I do Know that an officer by the name of Montgomery had the cammand of Regulars in that attact [and] Coln Washington commanded a ragment [regiment] of horsemen on that day [and] Genl Wayn also Commanded men on horses that day, sum time before this attact was made at a time when a French officer by the name of Count Gillaspey was exerciscing his men on Horses in full view of the enemies forte this officer was killed by a ball shot from the enemies forte this case of Count Gillaspey was done in my presents.
    [A]fter they Defeate at Savanna I Robert Tharp then returned to [the command of] Duley and Clark and still persued by engagement withe these officers, and again ordered out a spieing of the frunteers for Indians and was Kept in actuel service doing Duty of that kind according to the Special orders of those officer untill the Deathe of Coln Duley and after the Death of Duley who had been permoted to general [. A]fter the Death of this same Genrl Duley John Clark was then permoted and became General. I Robert Tharp still continued in actuel service a Spieing on the frunteers of Georgia and Sheltered at Capt Kars [Carrs] fort near the Line ofthe white settelment and while I Robert Tharp was at that fort kept by Capt Kar a party of British attacked the forte when I Robt Tharp was mad a prisoner of war with eight other soldiers with me and all ware taken off to the British army at Augustune [Fort Augustine?] where I was kept a prisoner of war so that I never got back to my former place of Service untill after a final Ratification of peace was made[, T]he term of Time which I was in actuel service under Col Duley and Clark ad [and] after the Death of Genrol Duley then under Clark alone untill I was made a prisoner of war and the linth [length] of the time which I was a prisoner of war was not less than five months in the whole of the time of my services on the frutiere [frontier] of Georgia and the time I was a prisonar of war I do Know is not less than three years and for the whole of this time Last mentioned which service I never recieved a Discharg nor payt nither in (part?) nor in whole, this declarent furter stats that when he got back from the enemy he setteled in rutherford county and state of North Carolina and I then moved to Tennessee Willson County and from there I moved this where I now live and was living at the passage of the act of 1832 which made provision for officers of the Revolution also the Surviving Soldiers and Indian spies of the Revolution of which I am one, this Declarent further States that the Discharges which I Recieved for the two three months towers is lost or distroyed many years since and that I actuly do not know of any officer or soldier by which I can prove any part of my service and the reason why I have delaied making application for a pension erlyer is for want of a form and proper understanding how to make out a Declaration according to Law untill the present."

    It is interesting to note that Theophilus Skinner, a clergyman, and Charles Brooks Matlock, a credible person residing in Franklin County [Alabama], both made affadavit that Robert Tharp was widely believed to be near 100 years of age and to have been a soldier of the Revolution. In addition, on 8 July 1852, John Tharp made an affadavit that he was the administrator of the estate of Robert Tharp, late of the County of Franklin, Alabama - this perhaps to obtain any back pay due his father. There was no certificate that this application was actually accepted. The service stated is consistent with events of the Revolutionary War.
    [From http://www.rootsweb.com/~alfrankl/rejected.txt
    Rejected or Suspended Applications for Revolutionary War Pensions
    Name State City, County Reason
    Robert Tharp, Alabama, Russellville, Franklin, For additional proof of service.]
    In his application, Robert said his father house was "near Willcoxes* Iron Works on Deep River in the state of North Carolina." Deep River runs through four counties: Guilford, Randolph, Moore and Chatham. Wilcox's Iron Works, I learned, was supposedly near Chapel Hill (in Chatham County). Chapel Hill is actually not on the Deep River, although it is possible Wilcox had other sites for extracting iron. A search of the records of all these counties failed to reveal any Tharps or anything on Mr Wilcox. There were some Tharps who had land dealings in Guilford County in the 1780's. Similarly, I was not able to find any mention of the Robert Tharp family in Rutherford County, NC, or in the records of Wilson County TN (not even the tax records)
    * The iron works were in Chatham County NC and owned by John Willcocks; see other note in Robert Tharp's entry-- Les Tate.
  • Date: 7 Jan 2008
  • Note:
    From http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=3257731&id=I105002

    Children:
    1. John THARP b: 1782 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina
    2. Phoebe THARP b: 1790 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina
    3. Hezekiah THARP b: 1795 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina
    4. Presley THARP b: ABT 1796 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina
    5. Mary THARP b: 1797 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina
    6. Robert THARP b: 1800 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina
    7. Margaret THARP b: 1802 in Rutherford Co, North Carolina

    From database of Lou Pero
    http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=loupero&id=I99

    Research Notes:

    Old Guilford NC Court Minutes, 1781-1788, Nancy H. Stein, 1978. James Tharp served on a jury in 1783 and is mentioned in court records 1782, 1784 and 1787. He was the overseer of roads in 1784, Nathan Tharp one of the hands to help on this section. William Thorpe or Tharp also mentioned 1786-1787. Guilford County Power of attorney 1805-1900, an article in the "Guilford Genealogist." Hamblin Freeman in right of his wife, Mary (late Mary Tharp daughter of John and Elizabeth Tharp, formerly of North Carolina, and granddaughter of Aaron and Mary Tharp deceased, late of Guilford County, NC), now of Livingston County KY, on 13 Feb 1834. Appoints James Whittset of Rockingham County, NC attorney to recover legacies of said Mary Tharp Freemen as the heir of said John Tharp deceased, son of said Aaron Tharp, deceased.

    Randolph County, North Carolina Deeds, Grantor Index, no Tharp found. There were Thorpe's in the 1900s.

    Rockingham County, North Carolina, Wills Abstracts, 1785-1865, by Irene Webster. No Tharp. Deed Abstracts 1785-1800. In 1794, Joseph Thorp of Rowan County sells land. William Thorpe buys land on south side of Troublesome Creek, adjoining the Gilford County line, date not readable. William Thorpe of Iredale County sells probably the same land he bought earlier. Dated 26 July 1796. No other Tharp or Thorpe entries.

    Stokes County, North Carolina Deeds 1787-1793. On 8 Feb. 1795, Aaron Tharp of Guilford County buys 114 acres. Stokes County Wills 1790-1864, no Tharp.

    North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal, November 1979. A comparison of St. Phillips Parish, A new Hanover County, 1763, and Brunswick County 1769 and 1772. There was a Samuel Tharp in St. Phillips Parish 1763. Also, "North Carolina Taxpayers 1701-1786" by Clarence E. Ratcliff, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore 1984. Mentions Samuel Tharp in Brunswick County 1769, 1772. Samuel Tharp in New Hanover County 1755, 1762.

    "Roster of Soldiers from North Carolina in the American Revolution," by DAR 1932. There were some Tharps, but no Robert Tharp.

    "Rutherford County NC Wills and Miscellaneous Records 1783-1868," by James and Vivian Woolley. No Tharp. Also, Tryon County land entries 1768-1774. This included present day Burke and Rutherford counties. Land entries 1778-1790. Index to deeds, grantor and grantee M-Z 1779-1916, no Tharp. Deed abstracts of Rutherford County, NC 1773-1795, by Caroline Heath Davis. No Tharp. Also by Caroline Heath Davis, Rutherford County abstracts of wills 1779-1822. No Tharp.

    "Tax List of Wilson County, Tennessee, 1803-1807 with names in Court Records 1802-1822," compiled by Thomas E. Partlow, Genealogical Publishing Co. 1981. No Tharp

    An e-mail from Philip Shipp (comphi@flash.net in January, 1998) gave us a bit of information. He says, "I don't know anything about a Tharp/Wilcox connection but I have run across a couple of records that mentioned both names. (1) my ancestor, George Wilcoxon/ Wilcox died in Sevier County, Tennessee in 1800. His will was written 16 Apr 1799 and witnessed by a John Tharp. George had previously lived in Rowan County, North Carolina and possibly went up into Kentucky before settling in Greene County, Tennessee by 1788. (2) a notice appeared in volume 5 #8 of the Tennessee Gazette on 6 March 1805, in which William Tharp warned people to beware of Isaac Drake Wilcox living in Roane County in East Tennessee. This Wilcox claimed to be associated with William King of the County (should be town) of Abingdon, Virginia. (3) There was a Thomas Wilcots (possibly Wilcox) on the 1790 Guilford County, North Carolina census living two doors away from a Tharp. There was also a John Wilcox living in Chatham County, North Carolina in 1790."

    An email from Hank King, who had retired from a position at the North Carolina archives by 2002. He looked into Robert Tharp. "Since the Tharp's appeared mainly in Guilford County, I looked for land grants for the name Tharp in that County. I found that there were two of these. James Tharp got a grant of 283 acres in 1779, having entered on the land in 1778. The other grant was to Nathan Tharp in 1792, the land having been entered in 1780. I examined these documents with the possibility that Robert Tharp could have been mentioned as the chain carrier, but he wasn't. These two Tharp's are in the vicinity of Deep River at the time of the Revolutionary war, but neither grant was on the River."

    "The Granville District of North Carolina 1748-1763", Abstracts of Miscellaneous Land Office Records Volume V, by Margaret M. Hoffman. On page 233, grant 6551, Benjamin Murray Warren dated 18 Jun 1761 to William Churton to survey 700 acres in Orange County in the forks betwixt Flattened River and Deep Creek, joining James Blakely, including Murray's own improvements. Signed by James Watson. Returned, executed 21 Oct 1761. Back of document reads: " Orange 18 Jun 1761. The property justly and legally made over of the within Warren's from Benjamin Moore all to John Tharp in presence of John Lee. Signed by James Blakely. Grant 6 December 1761. (I wonder if Benjamin Murray and Benjamin Moore all are the same person?) Another grant number 5346, is for Robert Smelly Warrant dated 13 Apr 1753 to John Edwards to survey ___ acres in Northampton County. Vacant land, joining Nicholas Tyner Jr., Arthur Williams and Thomas Morrill. Signed by Frances Corbin. Entered 1 March 1753. Back of document reads: "Surveyed for Robert Tharp 691 acres. Deed 5 November 1757.

    http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:3m7E6TPszaMJ:www.nationaltrust.com.au/boone.html+wilcoxsen+iron+works&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
    ...The Willcockson Family, like the Boones were extremely instrumental in the development of young America. John Willcockson's father was Thomas Willcockson.
    Books and articles have been written about the family and the establishment of Ivy Mills, one of the first paper mills in America and the famous iron works in Chatham County.

    http://www.stipak.com/willcockson/WulfeckBook/WulfeckPg7.htm
    Wilcoxson and Allied Families, Dorothy Wulfeck, 1958
    ....John Willcox established an Iron Works in Chatham County and was a member of the Colonial Council. Only two descendants of the Willcocksons who settled in Rowan Co., N. C. are known to have confused any ancestral records with those of the "Ivy Mills" Willcox family. There does not seem to be any possible relationship between this Willcox family and the Willcockson family.

    http://wgscroggins.kueber.us/Wilcox~3_John_1721.pdf
    It seems likely that George Willcockson, son of John Willcockson and Sarah Boone, was the George who married Elizabeth Beam in Rowan County, North Carolina, on 20 October 1767, with John Willcockson, George Boone and George Willcockson as signatories on the bond, either as witnesses or sureties. It is difficult to sort the various records involving George Willcockson, because his uncle, George Willcockson, married Elizabeth Hall, and his cousin, George Willcockson, Jr., married
    Elizabeth Pinchbeck.51 The published Wilcoxson genealogy does not include a family record for George Willcockson and Elizabeth Beam, who may have moved to Sevier County, Tennessee, where the will of George Willcockson, dated 16 April 1799 and naming his wife Elizabeth and children as legatees, is recorded:52
  • Date: 10 Sep 2007
  • Change Date: 24 Sep 2007 at 3:35:47



    Marriage 1 Mary Thompson b: ABT 1752 in NC
    • Married: ABT 1780 in NC
    • Change Date: 10 Sep 2007
    Children
    1. Has No Children John "Bull" Tharp b: 1782 in Rutherford County, NC
    2. Has No Children Presley Tharp b: ABT 1784 in Rutherford County, NC
    3. Has No Children Phoebe Tharp b: 1790 in Rutherford County, NC
    4. Has Children Hezekiah Tharp b: 1795 in Rutherford County, NC
    5. Has No Children Mary Tharp b: 1797 in Rutherford County, NC
    6. Has Children Robert Tharp Jr b: 1800 in Rutherford County, NC
    7. Has No Children Margaret Tharp b: 1802 in Rutherford County, NC

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