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  • ID: I10372
  • Name: James ROSS 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1620 in Cranstoun Riddell, Midlothian, Scotland
  • Death: 18 SEP 1690 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA 3
  • Event: Bullet 13 MAY 1652 IMMIGRANT on "John & Sarah"
  • Note:
    James Ross, a Royalist Soldier captured at Worcester. Transported from Gravesend to Boston on the "John&Sarah" 13 May 1652. He was one of the surviving soldiers of Charles II's scottish army made prisoners at the Battle of Worcester 3 Sep 1651 by Cromwell. After the battle Cromwell, was greatly exercised to find sustenance for them, and to keep them under restraint as a potential source of danger. Many died of pestilence and many were sent to Boston as redemptioners on such terms that they soon acquired freedom. James Ross, the father of Mary Goodenow's bastard received heavy punishment of 39 stripes for "shameful abuse and violence towards his master". Served in King Philip's War, 1675, Narragansett Swamp Fight.

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    He, or the succeed, may have been that soldier, whose wife Mary, in the spring of 1676, says her husband went to Narraganset, under Capt. Mosely, of course in Dec. before was near 70 years old, was still in the service and his family suffered so that she begged for his release. [Genealogical Dictionary of First Settlers of New England] (Note - he would have been about 56 in 1676, so maybe Mary was exaggerating?)

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    The Sudbury Archives list a Mary Ross born to a James Ross and Mary Goodenow/Goodnow on 25 Dec 1656; the fact that they used Mary's maiden name implies that they were not married.

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    The following information was contained in an e-mail from Debbie La Valley:

    Entry in ANNALS OF SUDBURY by Wayland that James Ross signed a petition concerning a 1678 battle between the settlers and the Pokonoket Indian known as "Philip" and his warriors. This book also noted that a Mary Ross was killed and scalped by Indians in 1707. This could have been Mary Goodenow Ross ?

    (A Mary Ross is listed as dying in 1700 - hard to say if date is wrong and is the same Mary Ross. Bill Ross (Calif.) has read this as well and cannot verify either at this time.)

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    Also contained in the same e-mail from Debbie La Valley, is the following, written by Stephen Ross, concerning prison time done by James:

    Bill, I found the reference on James Ross concerning his beating up James Ruddock. It was driving me nuts.

    In a nutshell, I found -

    James Ross was in prison at least from May 23, 1655 onward and was ordered released from prison when he petitioned the court with a 'humble apology' and promised to reform his behavior on August 31, 1655.

    I'd like to retain the source of this as it will be in my book, I'm trying to wind it up. I'm trying to run down when he was whipped or when the beating occurred or the fines for his fornication with Mary G.

    Steven C. Ross

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    Supposedly the pedigree that I have for James Ross came from a Rear Admiral Maurice "James" Ross, who researched the Ross family and wrote at least one book, which I have never seen. The following e-mail from Debbie La Valley, and accompanying e-mail from Stephen Ross, who has researched Ross family extensively, put some doubt as to the validity of the pedigree:

    From: Debbie La Valley
    To: jimweber AT nwintl.com
    Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:48 PM
    Subject: James Ross

    Hi Jim,

    I thought you would like to read what "Cousin Paul" wrote - some interesting tidbits. Paul has done extensive research in Sudbury and Scotland. He really knows his stuff and documents everything.

    Debbie :)
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Paul Ross
    To: Debbie La Valley
    Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:37 AM
    Subject: Re: James Ross

    Greetings Ms Debbie,

    This appears well-documented, BUT...
    I really can't believe it. We can wait for an answer. But I believe somebody got it from somebody who got it from somebody who liked scotch.
    I am convinced that there is no knowing who James parents were. I am also convinced of a couple other things: James lived at or near the estate of Balnagown and was clan-devoted to the chief of the clan. He was obligated to go to war with the chief along with 5-600 others from near Tain. Which is a long ways from Midlothian, a suburb of Edinburgh.
    Secondly, he wern't no city boy. He was a farmer/crofter who was expert at the care and breeding of large animals, like horses and oxen. I know this because out of a boat-load of 276 Scots prisoners, he was one of 21 bought by the local farmers at auction in Boston in April of 1652. He went to Rudock's farm in Sudbury to help him breed and sell oxen - that was the main "industry" in Sudbury - they used the Great Meadow as an ox-factory for all of new england.
    The only records of the Balnagown Regiment associated with the Battle of Worcester list just a few officers.
    There just is no legitimate record tieing our James on the auction block in Boston to anybody prior to that moment - other than to know he was captured in the same group with the Chief of Clan Ross and taken to London, etc.
    Thanks for the news bite. Let me know what comes of this tale.

    Cousin Paul

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    And another e-mail from "Cousin Paul" concerning the birth date, etc.:

    "The only interesting thing about all the info in this episode is the date 1620 as James of Sudbury's birth date. I have come across many dates for James' BDay. But my favorite is 1620. I don't recall at the moment why, but I believe that somewhere I came across his age at his marriage or death or some kid's birth, and did the math.
    So in like 1657 he is 37...and he has a roll in the hay with Mary b1640 = she is 17...
    You are real right about how interesting James' life was from 1650-1676. I do in-fact plan to write an historical novel / book about him. We have war, sex, violence, adventure, pioneeering and basicly going from a peasant to having a family in the new world with unlimited opportunity. Pretty good ingredients for a story.
    The only thing that keeps Mel Gibson from playing the lead is that I don't expect the real history of "King Phillip's War" to be swallowed as "politically correct" by Hollywood. But it is vital to his life story - it is his redemption - he lived to see/know that Cromwell's head was on a stake in the fence outside Parliment and the King he fought for (and met) was on the thrown. And although he lost at Worcester - his soldiering abilities helped the Puriton twits who settled Sudbury, to prepare and defeat 1000 braves from 6 garison-houses during the seige of April 18-21, 1676 (= the end of King Phillip's War) etc, etc." PS: I've been to two of the garison houses"




    Father: John ROSS b: 1602 in Balsarroch near Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland
    Mother: Anna MAKGILL b: ABT 1604 in Cranstoun Riddell, Midlothian, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Mary GOODENOW b: 25 AUG 1640 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA
    • Married: 5 DEC 1658 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA 4
    Children
    1. Has No Children Mary ROSS b: 25 DEC 1656
    2. Has No Children Thomas ROSS b: 29 SEP 1660
    3. Has No Children James ROSS b: 4 JAN 1661/62
    4. Has Children Jane ROSS b: 26 AUG 1664 in Sudbury, Middlesex, MA
    5. Has No Children Dorothy ROSS b: 20 JUL 1667
    6. Has No Children Sarah ROSS b: 28 MAR 1670
    7. Has No Children Elizabeth ROSS b: 15 MAR 1672/73
    8. Has No Children Hannah ROSS b: 23 DEC 1678
    9. Has No Children Daniel ROSS b: 28 OCT 1681

    Sources:
    1. Title: Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England, by James Savage, Boston 1860-1862, Electronic Edtion by Richard Bingham, Oceanport, NJ
      Page: 577, vol 3
    2. Title: The Sudbury Archives, http://www.town.sudbury.ma.us./archives/
      Page: Ross, James
    3. Title: The Sudbury Archives, http://www.town.sudbury.ma.us./archives/
      Page: Ross, James - Death Record
    4. Title: The Sudbury Archives, http://www.town.sudbury.ma.us./archives/
      Page: Ross, James & Goodnow, Mary - Marriage Record

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