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  • Name: Gilchrist 4th Earl of ANGUS 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: 04th Earl of /Angus/, Gilchrest
  • Birth: ABT 1143 in Angus, Forfarshire, Scotland
  • Death: BET 1207 AND 1211 2
  • Note:
    EARLDOM OF ANGUS (SCT) (IV) 1197?

    Gilchrist, Earl of Angus, brother and heir [of Adam]. He was witness in 1198 to a document in the Chartulary of Arbroath Abbey (no. 148), to which Abbey he was a great benefactor. He d. between 1207 and 1211. [Complete Peerage I:146]

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    The following post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, has more information on Gilchrist, and his potential wives (Note: I used to have Ingibirog Ericsdottir, as wife of Gilchrist, but moved her to Gillbride the father (however unlikely) because of citations in CP & BP:

    Angus is an ancient administrative unit, although it has seen a few name changes this century. Before the name change to Angus County in 1928, it was known as Forfarshire.

    Forfar has been the seat of a sheriff from the 12th century and several of the Scottish Kings of the house of Canmore stayed in the royal castle of Forfar.

    Prior to the sons of Malcolm Canmore and the saintly Queen Margaret ruling Scotland, the area was known as Angus and was usually linked with the Mearns (Kincardine) or Gowrie. During this period it was clearly an administrative unit, ruled by a Mormaer. Mormaer was a celtic term meaning 'great steward' and gave way to the term 'Earl' by the late 12th century. The earliest recorded was Earl Gilchrist, Mormaer of Angus, who gave Kirriemuir to the Abbey of Arbroath in 1178. [Ref: http://www.angus.gov.uk/history/features/ansname.htm]


    Somerled (Lord of the Isles) being no less ambitious than great, raised an army, and invaded the territories of Malcolm IV. who succeeded David, was joined by Donald, son of Malcolm MacBeth, who had been at the head of a formidable rebellion in the preceeding reign; but king Malcolm sent the brave Gilchrist, earl of Angus, against them, who defeated them, took Donald prisoner, and obliged Somerled to fly to Ireland, anno 1157. [Ref: http://www.macleodgenealogy.com/ACMS/D0084/I79.html citing: Sir Robert Douglas of Glenbervie, PEERAGE OF SCOTLAND, Edinburgh, 1764?, pp. 357ff. I.]

    There seems to be much debate re: the wives of Gilchrist & little definitive primary documentation. From Gen-Medieval archives:

    Ref: Don Matson 29 Apr 2003:
    Gilchrist, 4th Earl of Mar b.ca. 1154 d. ca. 1209. Was he married 3 times to.... ???
    1. Marjory, of Huntington ca. 1169
    2. Ingibiorg Ericksdottir bef. 1174
    3. Margary Haroldsdottir bef. 1184
    Note: the response was more or less "go look it up yourself" with a list of websites that have lists of books to research (NONE of which have the answer either, just speculation... Curt)

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    Ref: John P. Ravilious 22 May 2001:
    ...Gilchrist, Earl of Angus, d. ca. 1204 (married)... (possibly Ingeborg), sister of Harald Ungi, joint Earl of Caithness and Jarl of the Orkneys, probably second wife of Gilchrist [for theory behind her 'identity' see SP Vol II p. 315, 317]. *A daughter Ingeborg is named in the Orkneyinga Saga.

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    Ref: John P. Ravilious 15 Sep 2000 (renumbered & much before & after the below is omitted...Curt):
    1. Rognvald [originally Kali] Kolsson, Jarl of Orkney 1131-1158 [joint with Harald Madadhsson in Caithness, 1139-1158]
    issue by unknown wife:
    11. Ingigerd Rognvaldsdottir, m. Eric 'Slagbrellir'
    issue by this husband:
    111. Harald 'Ungi', Jarl of Orkney [joint with Harald Madadhsson] 1158 -
    112. Ingeborg Ericsdottir, m. as 2nd wife Gilchrist, Earl of Angus 1157-1204 [by first wife, he was father of Duncan, later Earl of Angus, and or Beatrix of Angus, wife of Walter le Stewart, Lord High Steward of Scotland, d. 1241]

    ... The problem connection (other than the construct re: the descent through the Earls of Angus) is the marriage that brought the claim to the Jarldom of the Orkneys to the indicated branch of the family of Gilchrist, Earl of Angus: This connection was adopted by Balfour Paul (Scots Peerage) from a previous writer, who gives no clear indication of which branch the Angus family was allied to (that of Harald Madadhsson isn't necessarily ruled out) determined that it must be through the Rognvald Kolsson line, as the name Magnus [as in the Jarl of Orkney, 1232-1239] indicates a connection with the branch to which St. Magnus [Erlendsson] belongs.

    Has anyone found actual evidence to support, modify or discount this 'connection' ? The fact that a connection existed seems undeniable [it was such a connection that provided the basis for the Norwegian recognition of the claims of the Angus family, the Earls of Strathearn and the Sinclairs of Roslin in due course], and the argument that the connection traces from a descent from Thorfinn II Sigurdsson appears without any known weakness - it does seem that the 'Magnus' connection amounts to a fairly weak, 'seems better than anything else' approach.

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    [Ref: Leo van de Pas 14 Apr 1999:
    The Complete Peerage Volume I page 146
    Gilchrist, Earl of Angus, who died between 1207 and 1211 according to footnate a, It has been said, but it is doubtful, that his wife was Maud, of Marjory, sister of King William the Lion...

    "The Great Historic Families of Scotland" by James Taylor published in 1889, republished in 1995, page 69:
    The first of the chieftains of the province of Angus who bore the designation of Earl was Gilchrist. A singular story regarding him is related by Buchanan, on the authority of an old chronicle. For the great services which this powerful noble performed to the Crown he received the hand of the king's sister in marriage. She, however, proved unfaithful to her marriage vow, and he caused her to be put to death. This murder so enraged the king---William the Lion---against Gilchrist etc.........Gilchrist and his two sons etc.

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    Ref: Marlyn Lewis 18 Jun 1997:
    Gilchrist, 3rd Earl of Angus, d. 1207; md.
    (1) (Miss) Maddadson (dau of Harold Maddadson, Earl of Caithness, Co-Jarl of Orkney, b. 1130, d. 1206, son of Madach, Earl of Athol and Margaret of Orkney md. (married) (1) Aufrica, sister of Duncan, Earl of Fife; (2) Gormflaeth (Hvafleda) MacHeth (= mother of wife of Gilchrist. She was dau of Malcolm II MacHeth, Earl of Moray))

    (2) Ingebiorg of Orkney.

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    Ref: Jared Olar 30 Jan 1996:
    ...As for Margery de Huntingdon, wife of Gilchrist, I have encountered a statement that Gilchrist's wife was this Margery, but haven't been able to find any support...Scots Peerage's article on the Earls of Angus says nothing of Margery de Huntingdon, nor is she mentioned at volume I page 12.

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    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Gillbride Gilibride\Gillebride 2nd Earl of ANGUS b: ABT 1123 in Angus, Forfarshire, Scotland
    Mother: Miss DUNBAR b: ABT 1124 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Margaret HARALDSDOTTIR b: ABT 1157 in Caithness-shire, Scotland
    • Married: in 2nd wife ?
    Children
    1. Has Children Beatrix de ANGUS b: ABT 1174 in Angus, Forfarshire, Scotland

    Marriage 2 Marjory of HUNTINGDON b: ABT 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
    • Married: 1169
    Children
    1. Has Children Duncan 5th Earl of ANGUS b: ABT 1170 in Angus, Forfarshire, Scotland

    Sources:
    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 469, 1985
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: I:146
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