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  • Name: Audrey Adria Hoare
  • Given Name: Audrey/Adria
  • Surname: Hoare
  • Suffix: Ancient Planter 1
  • Name: Audry Hoare
  • Given Name: Audry
  • Surname: Hoare
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 25 Aug 1604 in Aylesbury Parish, Buckinghamshire County, England 1
  • Christening: 28 Aug 1604 Saint Mary, Aylesbury Parish, Buckinghamshire County, England 1
  • Death: Bef 1635 in Henrico County, Virginia Formed 1634 1
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  • Reference Number: 110353
  • _UID: CB04AD3B4FD64AC4B048BCF6863B8B2000BC
  • Change Date: 5 Aug 2013 at 12:44
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    first wife of Capt. Thomas Harris was Audrey Hoare, who was christened at St. Mary, Aylesbury, Buckingham in 1604 and arrived on the Marmaduke in 1621.


    It had been speculated that Adria was daughter of Edward Gurganey, but she was one of the maidens who arrived on the MARMADUKE in November 1621. There are two lists of maidens sent over to prospective husbands on that voyage. Both state that she was Audry Hoare, aged 19, born at Aylesbury, co. Bucks., her father being a shoemaker. (William Thorndale, "Maides for Virginia in 1621 as Described in the Ferrar Papers," THE VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST 39 [1995]:243-52, 250, 252; and Lyndon H. Hart, "Some Clues to the Wives of Virginia Residents at the Time of the Muster," THE MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY 34 [1996]:51-54.) Her age actually slightly exaggerated. "Audrey the daughter of Thomas Hoare [was bp. at Aylesbury] the xxvth day of August" 1604. Her father, Thomas Hoare, had married Julyan Tripplett at Aylesbury, 12 Feb. 1592/3. The will of her father, Thomas Hoare, cordwainer, of Aylesbury, was dated 31 Jan. 1626/7 and proved 5 April 1627 (Archdeaconry Court of Buckingham, original wills, 1627, no. 89 [FHL film #88,557]). The will includes the following important bequest: 'It'm I give to my daughter Awadrye xij d to be payde her when she doth demande it after my desease and allso to her daughter xij d'. This proved that Audrey's daughter Mary, who married Thomas Ligon, was born by 1626 [giving enough time for Audrey's father to be cognizant of it in England], and that Mary was not daughter of Thomas Harris with his 2nd wife
    Glenn Gohr (Harris-VA & Harris-UK-Essex list manager) 1/19/2003



    She is listed as aged 19, born at Alesburie in Buckinghampshire. Here parents are both living. Her father was a shoemaker. Her siblings incliude 2 sisters one of whom was Joane Childe, who sponsored her for the voyuage and lived in Blackfryers in lane near Catherine Wheel. She also has a brother Richard who is an apprentice to a fustian dresser. Audrey Hoare could do plain work, black work, and make all types of buttons. Her relations/kindred in London include a cousin Mr Thomas Beling/Bodding, a merchant and Mr George Blunden, an upholsterer in Cornwall. .......a more reasonable explanation...is the first wife of Thomas Harris may have been an ancient planter but that she was not Adria. Thomas harris is considerably older than Adria..giving him time to have had a prior wife, perhaps a Gurgany....register of St Marys Alyesbury was a Thomas Hoare who had:[bsp dates given] John, Joan, Agnes, Elizabeth, Richard, Audrey bap 28 aug 1604. there is a marriage of Thomas Hoare to Julyan Tripplett on 12 feb 1592 in same parish. "Betty Harris" <bharris@inebraska.com>



    I just recently was approved as a member of the Jamestowne Society. I had made application with Edward Gurganey as my qualifying ancestor. But the papers came back with notations that the there is doubt that Edward Gurganey had a daughter, Adria. I was instead approved under Capt Thomas Harris, Burgess. In fact the society's verifying genealogist, Lyndon Hart, had written an article dealing with the subject of Adia. [see Mag. of Virginia Gen., Vol 34 Winter 1996 No 1 P51ff].Essentially it argued that Adry, wife of Thomas Harris, was actually Audry Hoare, a maiden who came to Virginia aboard the ship Marmaduke in August 1621. She was born at Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire, bp 28 Aug 1604. Her parents were Thomas Hoare and Julyan Tripplett. My genealogist, Paul Reed, has researched this further and says, "This is the ONLY Audry among the list of women to be transported to Virginia on the Marmaduke bound for Virginia in August 1621 [it arrived in November 1621]. Her age matches the age of Adria, wife of Thomas Harris." He went on to conclude that Audry was actually one and the same as Adria. Therefore, there is no direct connection with Edward Gurganey. However, the land patent issued in feb 1638/39 to Thomas Harris still suggests that there was a connection between Gurganey and Harris or Hoare. Note, the key to this is that Gurganey and Hoare families were both in Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire. And so was the Woodliffe family! So it now is certain that Thomas Harris' wife was Adry aka Adria aka Audry Hoare. [not Gurganey as has long been believed]. We have several more leads to follow in Aylesbury. We might also find more about the Harris line. Jim Hancock <HANSER5@aol.com>

    The death date of "bef 11 Sep 1626" needs to be dropped. That date is based on the old "witchcraft trial" story. The source that is used to apply that story to Thomas Harris is generally listed as Adventures of Purse and Person. Unfortunately, AP&P is a compilation of other works, and as a secondary source, is not sufficient to use as such. AP&P, published in 1956, copied the paragraph on the "witchcraft trial", word for word, from the Ligon Genealogy published in 1947. It notes that in the first footnote in the article. It even copied the sources, although it is obvious those sources were never checked. The ultimate source of the trial is the Minutes of the Council of the General Court of Virginia, page 111. Checking that source yields a completely different version of events, one that shows it occurred down in the Kecoughtan settlement and had nothing to do with Thomas Harris in Henrico. The trial did indeed take place on 11 Sep 1626. It is another case, as with the "Joane Osborne" myth, of the Ligon Genealogy corrupting the Harris family history with deliberately made up "events". With 11 Sep 1626 out of the way, the next available "factual" date in the Thomas Harris records is the 1635 land patent in which he acknowledges his current wife's name to be "Joane". This means we know that by 1635, Audrey Hoare had died and Thomas Harris had remarried. So that is all we know and all we can say about the death of Audrey Hoare - is that she was dead by 1635.

    Most likely Audrey Hoare was the mother of BOTH children of Thomas Harris, Mary AND William. The only reason it was ever stated that Joane was the mother of William was because of that bogus date of 11 Sep 1626. Again, it was the Ligon Genealogy that seems to have first made that statement. The birth year of William Harris is unknown but thought to be about 1629. In 1629, Audrey Hoare would be age 27. Joane Vincent was age 47. Due to the record references of the "land of William Vincent, deceased" appearing in the years from 1635 to 1639, it would seem William Vincent probably died closer to 1635 than to 1625. The evidence we have available seems to be more compelling to believe that Audrey Hoare died sometime after the birth of William Harris but before 1635.

    It has been stated before that the will of Thomas Harris states that Joane was the mother of William. The will of Thomas Harris has never been located and is thought to have been included in the records of the General Court of Virginia destroyed in 1865. Papers dealing with docking the entails in 1735 were found in the British Colonial Records Office. These papers REFER to a will written in 1649, but a transcript of the papers reveal that they only say what we already know from the land patent record, that 200 acres of Longfield passed to Mary Harris Ligon at the death of Thomas Harris. No one would have any way of knowing what else the will might have stated.

    I hope this will help add to the body of knowledge on Audrey Hoare.
    "James P. Harris" <jpharris@juno.com> 4 /1/2002
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    Note: Data beow not proven but another opinion
    According to a transcription of the actual ship's manifest for the "Marmaduke" ADRIA HARRIS Nov 1621 voyage was the passenger, age 23 at muster, wife of THOMAS HARRIS who arrived on the "Prosperous".Clearly they were married in England, and NOT in Virginia. This coupled with the fact that ANNE CHAPMAN GURGANEY left 400 acres of land to THOMAS HARRIS in her will makes me firmly believe that the wife of THOMAS HARRIS was ADRIA GURGANEY and not ADRIA HOARE, who supposedly arrived in Virginia unmarried.
    Betty Tartas
    Email: Ğuğlastlaugh48@yahoo.com <mailto:lastlaugh48@yahoo.com>Ğ/uğ
    URL: Ğuğ<http://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/marmaduke.htm>
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    Father: Thomas Hoare b: Abt 1570 in Buckinghamshire County, England
    Mother: Julyan Tripplett b: Abt 1570 in Buckinghamshire County, England

    Marriage 1 Thomas Harris b: 19 Dec 1585 in Aylesbury Parish, Buckinghamshire County, England
    • Married: 1624 in Henrico County, Virginia Formed 1634
    • Change Date: 14 Jul 2001
    Children
    1. Has Children Mary Harris b: 1626 in Henrico County, Virginia Formed 1634
    2. Has Children William Harris b: 1629 in Charles City County, Virginia Formed 1634 From Charles City

    Sources:
    1. Abbrev: James Phillip Harris <jpharris@juno.com> Richmond, Virginia
      Title: James Phillip Harris <jpharris@juno.com> Richmond, Virginia
      Publication: Phil Harris posts many interesting and well thought out theories on Harris-Va Rootsweb list. He cautoins that all is not proven and requires anyone using his data to verify with their own research.
      Date: Mar 2001
      Quality: 3
      Date: 24 Aug 2001

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