GROSSKOPF TO GROSSCUP FROM SACHSEN GERMANY TO CHICAGO ILLINOIS IN 1857 AND RELATED FAMILIES

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  • ID: I4775 View Post-em!
  • Name: William BOBBET
  • Surname: BOBBET
  • Given Name: William
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1558 in ,Suffolk,England
  • Death: after 14 Jun 1582 [Will written] in Grundisburgh,Suffolk,England
  • Burial: 24 Jun 1582 Grundisburgh,Suffolk,England
  • LDS Baptism: 2 Nov 2006 Temple: MTIMP
  • Endowment: 9 Nov 2006 Temple: MTIMP
  • _UID: AD6B7ACD4FB84A4385E541333F8E1C621C35
  • Note:
    ANNOUNCING 18 August 2009 - the Research Conclusion!!

    Thriugh the documentation supplied by my/our Bobbet
    in Suffolk County, England researchers Eileen Sears and
    Nanette Averett, Marsha was able to take this information
    and add 2 more generations. Other than the transcribing
    of one more Will in the 1400's, this research is concluded
    as a very thorough research has been conclded Tuesday,
    18 August 2009.

    Marsha's ascendancy from William and Kathryn Bobbet
    is:
    Nicholas or Nic Bobbet and Hellond Smith or Smythe
    Johannes Bobbet and wife

    More Continuing Research of this submitter's BOBBET
    family in Suffolk County, England began March 2009
    under the supervision of Marsha Berry and BYU British
    Researcher and Instructor of British Genealogy Dr. Amy
    Harris, our researchers are Dr. Harris's best British
    genealogy researchers and students: Eileen Sears and
    Nanete Averett. They are persuing Marsha's suggestions
    of the possible father and grandfather of William Bobbet,
    based on the 1500's to 1900's All Bobbitt and Variations
    Burial Index England and Wales, and Wills or other
    documents..

    Several Wills have been found and have been transcribed.
    Johannes Bobbet Will of 1510 Ipawich, Suffolk, England
    is the grandfather as their family has land in Campea Ash.

    The Continuing Research of this submitter's BOBBET
    family in Suffolk County. England begins Friday, 20 April 2007
    under the supervision of Marsha Berry and BYU Brititsh
    Researcher and Instructor of British Genealogy Dr. Amy Harris,
    our researcher is Dr. Harris's best British genealogy researcher
    and graduating student Kellie Scherbel.

    IMPORTANT And INTERESTING NOTE: My William W. BOBBITT's
    brother David Frank BOBBITT in the 1880 US Liberty, Richardson,
    Nebraska census told the enumerator about our Bobbitt family
    being from Suffolk County, England and that our surname in
    England was spelled BOBBET, so the 1880 Census enumerator
    spelled our surname BOBBET. Also, the enumerator got Cynthia
    Bobbitt's birth place ok, but not Frank's father's birthplace, etc.
    Source of this story: This submiter's cousin who is a Living
    Descendant of David Frank BOBBITT

    Frank BOBBET, age 40, Farmer
    Celia BOBBET, age 32
    Frederick BOBBET, son age 5
    William BOBBET, son, age 1
    Cynthia BOBBET, Frank's widowed mother, age 71
    [Cynthia Ann HAGGARD BOBBITT, widowed wife of deceased
    Isham Drury BOBBITT, Junior]

    With documents getting fewer and fewer, this submitter is so
    very fortunate to have these documents.

    Remember July 2006, ANNOUNCING!!
    John Bobbet chr 1579's father is William Bobbet or
    Bobbett not Robert Bobbet or Bobbett, so Robert
    Bobbet or Bobbett gave up his lands in Grundisburgh to
    his brother William Bobbett as stipulated in Uncle John
    Bobbet's 2 Feb 1576 Blaxhall, Suffolk, England Will.

    NOTE 2: SOURCES: William Bobbet or Bobbett Documents:

    1. Bobbett, William, 1582, Grundisburg, Suffolk, England,
    Norwich Consistory Court, Wills
    Will written 14 Jun 1582
    William Bobbett 1582 Will, gives wife as Katheryn, and gives
    children as John, Dorothie, and Alice. William Bobbett died
    young and charged his wife Katheryn Bobbett to take care of
    his children.

    2. Bobbet, William, 1582, Grundisburgh, Suffolk, England,
    Burials in Grundisburgh Parish Register, Film #991934,
    Page 14...Wm. Bobbitt buryed the XXIIIJth of June Aop'd
    1582
    Should be the 24th day of June 1582

    Dr. Amy Harris, BYU British Researcher and Instructor of British
    Research in her Monday, 18 September 2006 report to this
    submitter Marsha Berry, has the following evidence and proof
    positive of this Suffolk County, England Bobbet or Bobbett
    family:

    1. With the evidence we already discovered with the William
    Bobbett Will 1582 Grundisburgh, Suffolk, England, the son John
    Bobbett and his sisters Dorothie and Alice, should be sealed or
    bound or linked to William and Katheryn Bobbett, as the Will is
    the proof.

    2. It [the research] did, however, produce a marriage for Alice
    [one of the daughters of William and Katheryn Bobbett] in 1608
    to a John Howman in Little Bealings, Suffolk,

    3. Nor did it [the research] reveal children for Robert [William
    Bobbett 1582 Will's brother] though there was a Robert Bobbett
    marrying an Elizabeth Heywood in Grundisburgh on 4 November
    1548.

    Note from Dr. Harris: It is highly possible that Robert Bobbett and
    Elizabeth Heywood may be William and Robert's parents, but
    this is going to be further researched. Fellow researcher Marsha
    Berry has found in the IGI, a possible child is Wm Bobet chr 28
    Oct 1551 Great Bealings, Suffolk, England and died 29 Dec 1552,
    Father: Robt Bobet. Source: Extracted chr and death records,
    Computer printout of Great Bealings, Suffolk, England.

    4. Dorothie Bobbett, 1616, Sutton Parish, Suffolk County, England,
    Burial, Sutton Parish Registers. Dorothie Bobbett is the daughter
    of William and Katheryn Bobbett.

    William Bobbett, Will 1582
    FHL or Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, Microfilm 94910

    July 2006
    Transcribed by Dr. Amy Harris, BYU British Research Professor and
    14th, 15th, 16th Century British and American Handwriting expert of
    Wills and other documents

    1. In the name of God amen
    2. the fourteen daye of June in the fower and
    3. twentie yere of the Raygne of our Sovereigne
    4. Ladye Elizabeth by the grace of the god of England
    5. France and Irelande Quene defender of
    6. the faythe etc. I Willm Bobbett
    7. of Grundishbroughe in the Countie of Suff
    8. and the dioces of Norwiche beinge sycke in
    9. bodie but of perfecte Remembrance, doe
    10. ordayne and make my Laste will & Testamente
    11. in the manner and forme followeing. First I
    12. bequeathe and betake my sowle unto the
    13. handes of Almightie god hopinge onelie to
    14. be saved by the mercyes of Jhesus Christe
    15. my redeemer, And my bodie to be buryed in
    16. the churchyarde of Groundisburghe after the
    17. manner of Chrystean menn. Item I will and
    18. bequeathe unto Katheryn my wiefe all my
    19. house and houses in Groundisburghe where I
    20. nowe dwell with the Appurtenance wthall
    21. the Landes thereto belonginge Lyeinge or
    22. beinge within teh Townes of Groundisbourghe
    23. or Bourghe unto the full terme & space
    24. that my sonne John shall come to the age
    25. of one and twentie yeres, upon this
    26. condicon that shee brynge uppe and kepe my
    27. children honestlie and well. And yf it shall
    28. happen my sonne John to departe this liefe
    29. before he come to the saide terme of one and
    30. twentie yeres, Then I will that Katherine
    31. my wiefe shall enioye it untol suche tyme as the
    32. saide terme of one and twentie yeres after and
    33. from her entrie be fullie completed & ended
    34. Item I give to my sonne John to him and his
    35. heyres for ever all my houses and Landes
    36. Lyeing in Burghe or Goundisburghe to
    37. enter the same at suche tyme as he shalle
    38. at the age of one and twentie yeres Item
    39. I will and give unto my Daughter Dorothie
    40. fyve poundes of good and Lawfull money
    41. to be payd her by my sonne John oute of
    42. my Landes at suche tyme as she shall come
    43. to the age of one and twentie yeres,
    44. Item I give to Dorothie one good milche cowe
    45. to be delive[r]ed unto her when she Cometh
    46. to the age of Sixtene yeres by the hannde
    47. of my Executors. Item I give & bequeathe
    48. unto Alice my Daughter the some of fyve
    49. poundes of good and Lawfull money to be
    50. payde by John my sonne oute of my Lannde
    51. at suche tyme as shee shall come to the
    52. age of one and twentie yeres, Item I give
    53. to her one good milche cowe to be delive[r]ed
    54. her at the age of sixteen yeres, by the hande
    55. of my Executors, And I will that if eyther
    56. of them departe this liefe the other shall
    57. have her portion, Item I will that Katherine
    58. my wiefe shall kepe and mayntene my
    59. home in Suffiiciente reparacens Duringe
    60. all her terme before specified withoute makinge
    61. Stryppe or waste, Item I give unto Katherine
    62. my wiefe all the reste of my moveable goodes not
    63. before bequeathed towards the brynginge upp of
    64. my children, And I doe make Executors of
    65. this my Laste Will and Testament, Katherine
    66. my wiefe and John [Lydnnden] desyreinge them
    67. to receave my debtes and paye my debtes.
    68. And I make Roberte Stebinge Supervisor to
    69. this my Will and Testamente, And I will
    70. that Katherine my wife shall [dutee] bonde
    71. sufficient unto John Lynnden to s[un]e him
    72. harmeles concerninge theise Legacyes, And
    73. also in Tenne poundes for the Accomplishment
    74. and fulfillinge of this my Laste Will to
    75. Roberte Stebbinge Wytnes hereunto,
    76. Lanncelott D[in]inge John Smithe and
    77. Nicholas Brooke

    Probated by Katherine Bobbett and John Lynnden on
    4 August 1582.

    July 17, 2006:
    Dr. Amy Harris and Marsha Berry agree the William
    Bobbett in the Grundisburg, Suffolk, England 1582 Will
    supports being the father of John Bobbet chr 1759 in
    Grundisburg, Suffolk, England.

    1. Location: There is no other male Bobbet or Bobbett in
    Grundisburg at the time of John Bobbet's 1579 birth other
    than William Bobbet or Bobbett in the 1582 Will.

    2. Given names: William Bobbett naming his son John
    Bobbet after his Uncle John Bobbett would be in order and
    most likely according to British naming patterns.

    John Bobbet chr 1759 named one of his daughters Dorothie,
    and one son William. While the name William is not unusal,
    Dorothie was more unusual than William, the conjunction
    of their occurrence among John's children repeats the naming
    patterns from the earlier family.

    3. Children of William Bobbett 1582 were very young in age:
    The wording of the Will supports the idea that John, Dorothie,
    and Alice were very young at the time of their father's death.
    William empasizes that they are underage and that his wife
    is to care for them according to his instructions until they are
    21 and inherit. it is also clear that John is elder than the two
    girls because after he turns 21 he is to be in charge of
    managing their inheritance until they turn 21.

    The Son of William Bobbet or Bobbett is John BOBBET

    John BOBBET
    Christening: 20 Jan 1579 Grundisburg,Suffolk, England
    No parent listed
    Extracted christening record
    Grundisburg register Church of England
    Parish Church of Grundisburg

    Number of miles between towns in Suffolk County, England where
    my Bobbet or Bobbett family lived:

    Asshe or Campsea Ashe or Campsey Ashe is about 5 miles east of
    Woodbridge where Willam Bobbett The Immigrant was christened.

    Grundisburg is 3 miles from Woodbridge.

    Blaxhall is about 5 miles northeast of Ashe or Campea Ashe.


    The 2 Feb 1576 Probated Will of John Bobbett, Blaxhall, Suffolk,
    England
    His nephews are:
    1. Roberte Bobbett who has lands in Grundisburg, Suffolk, England
    2. William Bobbett, brother of Roberte, who has no lands, but his
    Uncle John Bobbett is in trust of the gift William's father gave for his
    brother John to guard and William is not to harass his Uncle John's
    executors on this issue.

    Excerpt from the 2 Feb 1576 Will of John Bobbett, Blaxhall, Suffolk,
    England pertaining to John Bobbett's nephews Robert and William
    Bobbett:

    " I geve to Roberte Bobbett my nephew xx of good and lawfull money
    of England to be paied ymediatlie after my decease itm I geve to
    Roberte Bobbett my Nephew my howse at Asshe with all the landes
    therto belonging in Asshe and Marlforth with the appurt[en]ance
    therto belonginge to him and to theire [the heir] of his bodye
    lawfullye begotten,
    Condicomally that the saide Rob[er]te shall geve and surrender all
    his landes at Grundsborowe [Grundisburg] and Burghe to his brother
    William and his heires.

    And if the saied Roberte dye without yssue of his bodye lawfully
    begotten then I will that the saied howse and lands with
    appurten[an]c[e]s shall remayne unto his brother William and his
    heires.

    And, whosoever shall have the saied house at Asshe of the saied
    Rob[er]te or Willi[a]m shall yeelde and paye unto my Cecylie my
    wiefe yerlie an by yeare duringe her naturall liefe iij owt of the saied
    Lande.

    And if the saied Rob[er]te my Nephew shall refuse to surrender his
    lands in Grundsborowe [Grundisburg] and Burghe to thuse of his
    brother Willi[a]m and his heires as aforesaied, Then I will that my
    saied Nephewe Willi[a]m shall have my howses and Landes in
    Asshe aforesaied to him and his heires forever. I give to the saied
    Willi[a]m my Nephew xx, to be paied to him with in one yeare nexte
    after my decease uppon condicon that he shall neither moleste nor
    trobell my executors for my legacye or gifte geven by his father to
    him with the whiche I am charged, yf he dye then he not to have the
    saied xx." Executors who had the Will proved: Thomas Osborne,
    Edward Smythe and Thomas Smythe.

    The Transcription of the above 2 Oct 1576 Will of John Bobbett,
    Blaxhall, Suffolk, England was by Amy Harris, BYU Professor of
    British Research and expertise with 14th, 15th, and 16th Century
    British and American Handwritting and Wills.

    Research answers some questions:
    1. What is the gift given by William's father in trust to his Uncle John?
    William Bobbett's land in Grundisburgh and Burgh, Suffolk, England.

    2. Did Robert Bobbett give up his land in Grundisburgh? Yes, to his
    brother William as stipulated by his Uncle John Bobbet's 1576 Will.
    John Bobbett was christened 20 Jun 1597 in Grundisburgh, Suffolk,
    England, 3 years after John Bobbett's Will was probated in 1576.

    3. The IGI extracted christening record of John Bobbett chr 20 Jun
    1579 in Grundisburg gives no father or mother. Does this mean that
    John Bobbett may not have been born of Robert's body as stipulated
    in John Bobbett's 1576 Will? Robert had his own children and William
    had his own children.

    4. Which nephew Robert or William Bobbett received the house and
    land in Ashe from their Uncle John Bobbett? Robert Bobbett.

    5. John Bobbett chr 1579 in Grudisburgh married Margaret Edgare chr
    16 Mar 1577 in Campsea Ashe, Suffolk England. John and Margaret
    married 7 Oct 1600 in Campsea Ashe and their children were
    christened in Campsea Ashe.

    After 24 years, was John and Margaret Bobbett and their family living
    in the house and on the lands of Ashe that belonged to their father's
    uncle John Bobbett? Not known. Either the children of brother Robert
    Bobbet or Bobbett did something to forfeit their Campsea Ashe land
    or John and Margaret Edgare Bobbet are living on Margaret's Edgare
    land.

    .
  • Change Date: 2 Apr 2009 at 07:25:20



    Father: Nycholas or Nic BOBBET [in brother's 1537 Will] b: ABT 1510 in , Suffolk, England
    Mother: Hellond Smith or Smythe b: ABT 1527 in , Suffolk, England

    Marriage 1 Mrs. Katheryn BOBBET b: ABT 1559 in ,Suffolk,England
    • Married: 1578 in ,Suffolk,England
    • Sealing Spouse: 25 Nov 2006 in PROVO
    Children
    1. Has Children John BOBBET b: 20 Jan 1579 in Grundisburgh,Suffolk,England c: 20 Jan 1579 in Grundisburgh,Suffolk,England
    2. Has No Children Dorothie BOBBET b: ABT 1580 in Grundisburgh,Suffolk,England
    3. Has No Children Alice BOBBET b: ABT 1581 in Grundisburgh,Suffolk,England

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