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  • ID: I411
  • Name: Penelope PRINCE
  • Given Name: Penelope
  • Surname: PRINCE
  • Name: Penelope VAN PRINCIS
  • Given Name: Penelope
  • Surname: VAN PRINCIS
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: Abt 1622 in Netherlands
  • Death: 1712 in Middletown, Monmouth Co., NJ, USA
  • _UID: 4B8DCDDEC5E947C19F42D88678DF88D52C13
  • Change Date: 19 Feb 2008 at 10:17
  • Note:
    Newspaper article - Newspaper name and time of publicatio n unknown, author was John T. Cunningham

    ------------ THE STORY OF PENELOPE STOUT -----------
    There is cause to dispute the traditional claim that P enelope vanPrincis Stout of Monmouth County lived to a matu re 110 years before she died in 1712, but no one can deny t hat for indomitable will to live and in number of descendan ts Penelope has had few equals.
    Penelopes's story is obscured slightly by discrepancei es in the dates of her birth and other occurrences in her l ife, but consider first the narrative as it is usually told.
    Born in Holland (in 1602 according to the usual versio n,) Penelope vanPrincis joined her young husband and othe r Dutch settlers headed for New Amsterdam in 1620. Violen t storms caught their ship, drove it off course and finall y wrecked it off Sandy Hook.
    --- ON THE BEACH ---
    All survived, and the passengers and crew set off fo r New Amsterdam on foot, leaving Penelope on the beach to n urse her desperately ill husband (whose name was never reco rded by Penelope and all of the large brood she would late r rear.) Indians found the Dutch couple on the beach, kill ed the husband and left Penelope viciously hacked.
    The young widow lay unconscious, her skull fractured , her left arm so mangled that it would never again be norm al and her abdomen slashed open. Somehow she revived and c rawled into a hollow tree, where two Indians found her seve ral days later.
    ---- SHE PRAYED ---
    Penelope prayed that they might end her misery and th e younger Indian was willing to oblige. The older Indian d issented, carried her over his shoulder to camp, and ther e nursed her back to health. She stayed with the Indians , working, learning their language and their ways.
    Some of her shipwrecked friends returned after a tim e and asked the Indians to give her up. Penelope's India n benefactor said he would let the young woman decide for h erself. Penelope decided to leave, "very much to the surpr ise of this good Indian," according to Frank Stocktons's ve rsion.
    About two years later Penelope met Richard Stout who h ad left Nottingham, England, because of parental disapprova l of his love affair with a girl they considered socially i nferior. He enlisted in the navy, served for seven years a nd left ship in New Amsterdam when his enlistment ended.
    Penelope vanPrincis and Richard Stout were married i n 1624 (according to tradition), when she was 22 and Richar d was 40. Some time after, they moved to Middletown, wher e through the years their family grew and prospered.
    Several years after the Stouts came to Middletown, Pen elope's old Indian benefactor called on her to warn of an i mpending attack by his tribe. Penelope and her children fl ed in a canoe, but Richard Stout and his neighbors stood u p to the Indians and argued them out of an attack. So the S touts lived on into the 18th century.
    Dr. Thomas Hale Streets questioned the time sequence i n a study he made of the Delaware branch of the Stout famil y in 1915.
    He said that all dates in recorded accounts were abou t 20 years too early, thus making the date of the shipwrec k about 1640 rather than 1620 and making the date of the ma rriage to Richard Stout about 1644 rather than 1624. Thi s logic seems sound.
    For example, there was no New Amsterdam in 1620 and ce rtainly there was no Middletown at the time when the Stou t allegedly moved over. Advancing all dates 20 years, howev er, makes New Amsterdam, Middletown and all else fall in li ne.
    His most telling rebuttal hinged on the known birh dat e of Penelope's 10th and last child, David, born in 1669 . That would have made Mrs. Stout a mother at age 67 and R ichard a father at 85. Speaking of the mother, Dr. Street s commented drily:
    "No medical man, it is safe to say, ever knew of suc h a case."
    Penelope vanPrincis Stout died in 1712, either at th e age of 110, if you believe traditional accounts, or at th e age of 90 if Dr. Streets is correct.
    Before dying, Mrs. Stout saw her seven sons and thre e daughters multiplied into 492 other descendants.
    One son, Jonathan, bought a large tract of land at Hop ewell in 1706 and quickly the number of Stout descendants i n and near Hopewell became almost as numerous as those in M onmouth. Today huge numbers of Stout descendants cheris h a noble name; they recognize that without Penelope vanPri ncis, a stout-hearted woman if ever there was one, they wou ldn't be here at all.

    * * * * * * * *
    12 Sep 1648": Ambrose London plaintive agt:ye wife of Tho : Aplegate defent in an action of slander for saying his wi fe did milke her Cowe"

    "The defent saith yt shee said noe otherwise but as Penello pey Prince tould her yt Ambrose his wife did milke her Cowe"

    "Rodger Scotte being deposed saith yt being in ye house o f Tho: Aplegate hee did heare Pennellopy Prince saye yt y e wife of Ambrose London did milke ye Cowe of Tho: Aplegate"

    "Tho: Greedye being deposed saith yt Pennellope Prince bein g att his house hee did heare her saye yt shee and Aplegate s Daughter must com as witnesses agat: Ambrose his wife mil king Aplegates Coew"

    "Pennellope Prince being questationed adknowled her fault e in soe speaking and being sorrie her words she spake gav e sattisfaction on both sides."

    Source: Gravesend Town Book, vol. 1, Sept 12, 1648.

    * * * * * * * * Excerpts from a STOUT-L posting by Linda St out Deak:

    I traveled today to Amsterdam and went to the Scheepsvaar t (maritime or Ship Navigation, esp. Atlantic) Museum. I t is a splendid old granite building on the water a fiftee n minute walk from Amsterdam Central Station. I was lookin g for Penelope's name on a passenger list. I had to find th e ship upon which she sailed.

    107.1 Kath Hans Jelisz. (owner) Jacht (yacht or sailboat ) WIC (West Indies Company) 1647 Nieuw Amsterdam voor 06-06 -1647

    Kreeg in Juni 1647 de opdracht tot kaapveren. November 164 8 bij Sandy Hook gestrand. Did not return


    This has to be Penelope's ship. I scanned the doctoral thes is (in Dutch) of a J.A. Jacobs from Leiden University on th e ships sailing to the new world from Holland between 1609- 1675. The average was 3.75 ships per year, about five ship s per year in the period 1639-1648. It is very unlikely tha t a ship other than the Kath was beached at Sandy Hook.




    Marriage 1 Richard STOUT b: Abt 1615 in Burton Joyce, Nottinghamshire, , England
    • Married: Abt 1644 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    • Change Date: 26 Sep 2005
    Children
    1. Has Children John STOUT b: 1645 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    2. Has Children Richard STOUT b: in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    3. Has Children James STOUT b: 1648 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    4. Has Children Mary STOUT b: 1650 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    5. Has Children Alice STOUT b: 1652 in Middletown, Monmouth Co., NJ, USA
    6. Has Children Peter STOUT b: 1654 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    7. Has Children Sarah Elizabeth STOUT b: 1656 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    8. Has Children Jonathan STOUT b: 1658 in Gravesend, Kings Co., NY, USA
    9. Has Children David STOUT b: 1667 in Middletown, Monmouth, NJ
    10. Has Children Benjamin STOUT b: 1669 in Middletown, Monmouth, NJ

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