Name: Samuel John Austin , Sr. 1
ALIA: Samuel /Asten/
Birth: BET 1762 AND 1763 in CT then as a UEL to (French Lake) area of NB
Death: JUL 1824 in Grand Point, Queens Co., NB of Accidentally Drowned in Grand Lake.
Reference Number: AEK-35874
Medical Information: age at death: 89 according to document from Violet Austin
BREAKING NEWS!! Scot Austin sent the info on 5 July 2011 that contained the results shown in the link indicated below. Y-Chromosome DNA testing has definitely determined the ancestral line that Samuel Austin needs to be attached. He is from the CT line and NOT the VA lines as so many others report and early documents in NB also report.
The following link shows the DNA results of the CT line that are Haplogroup I1 shown at the top of the image and those that are R1b1 at the bottom that are from the lineage that people have incorrectly connected Samuel Austin from NB.
Y-Chromosome DNA Profile results.
Austin, Samuel ( page 12, Early Probate Records for New Brunswick)
Parish of Waterborough, Queens Co. Intestate. Administration granted 27 August 1824 to Eve AUSTIN, Samuel John AUSTIN, and John PALMER. Fellow bondsmen David PALMER and Joshua CALKIN, all of Waterborough, Queens County. Inventory, dated 26 August 1824, valued at 467 pounds by David PALMER and Joshua CALKIN. Justus E. AUSTIN and John E. AUSTIN named as sons of the deceased. Some items of inventory deemed the property of David M. AUSTIN.
Crown Land Grant Index of New Brunswick
Samuel Aston 1295 Parrtown St. John, Saint John Parish, Saint John Co., 0.00 acres, 14 Aug 1784, Vol A, No. 19325
Samuel Austin, 24 Long Reach, Westfield Parish, Kings Co., 200.0 acres, 17 Jan 1786, Vol 1, No. 15
Samuel Austin, 16 Douglas Harbour, Canning Parish, Queens Co., 200.0 acres, 3 June 1786, Vol 1, No. 49
David Goebel, 18 Douglas Harbour, Canning Parish, Queens Co., 200.0 acres, 3 June 1786, Vol 1, No. 49
Other date of death is given as 1829.
Samuel John Austin was a Loyalist from Virginia, the only(two were) Loyalist of seven brothers. He was enrolled for the journey in Richard Squires' Militia company (Bell, p26) and travelled on the 'Grace, unit 34' to Saint John, NB with the July 1783 Fleet(Bell, p25). The sailing and victualling records state that his household numbered two persons, an adult male and an adult female( Bell, p177). It is natural to assume that the 'adult female' was Samuel J. Austin's wife and since no children were recorded, that they had not been married long. This must have been a different wife than Eve Gabel/Goebel that he married Nov 23, 1788 at Gagetown, NB.
"Early Loyalist,Saint John", D. G. Bell, New Ireland Press, 1983, ISBN 0-9690215-8-5
The Grantbook Database for NB shows that Samuel Austin and David Goebel both registered for 200 acres of land at Maquapit Lake, Sunbury County, on 1786/06/07. Samuel Austin also registered for 500 acres of land in 1783/03/09 in Waterborough, Queens County. See PANB for information. French Lake, Maquapit Lake, and Douglas Harbour, NB are all in close proximity to each other.
Previously had the following connection: (see Breaking News at the start of the notes for proof)
Confirmation of this connection of Samuel Austin to the family of William Austin and Elizabeth Green was obtained from Mr. Hal Steiner, Las Vegas, NV( firstname.lastname@example.org).
This connection to William and Elizabeth (Green) Austin would indicate the wrong DOB since Elizabeth (Green) Austin supposedly died bef. 1859 and Samuel John Austin was born 1762-1763. Needs more research(AEK)
Mr. Steiner quotes "Supposedly he(Samuel) swore an oath to the Crown and rather than fight he moved to Canada."
This confirmation is not absolute proof. This connection now appears to be wrong as further information has become available. Samuel married Mary Conner: children have now been found for this marriage which proves that this is NOT the correct Samuel.
A more recent connection:
Information received from a Scot Austin has information from the Edith Austin Moore book that indicates Samuel is a descendant of John Austin and Elizabeth Hurley from New London and Stamford, CT.
Link to this family.
Ancestors emigrated from England in 1647.
The following is a report on the possible families of Samuel John Austin, Sr.
Some years ago Hal Steiner contacted me about Samuel Austin and thought that he had the family that Samuel came from. I still have all of these emails and can go back to them if needed.
I made the connection as per Hal Steiner's suggestions and worked with many different people trying to fill in the gaps on the tree only to find that the info that Hal had given was for a different Samuel Austin as the one that he had was having children in the USA well after the Samuel that arrived in New Brunswick.
I looked at the data on the Austin Association of America and found that Hal had changed the dates on the NB Samuel to make them fit with what he needed. Upon seeing this, I remove Samuel Austin from that connection.
About 2 years ago, I received an email from another person who was a descendant of an Austin line and he had been looking at the Austin names that I had in my database and a couple things caught his eye. The main one was that the Samuel Austin from NB had a son by the name of David Hurley Austin and his Austin line also had a Samuel Austin who was a Tory (traitor according to US Revolutionary war.) left and went to NS(NB was part of NS at that time). The only problem with this connection was that the Samuel was 13-14 years older then the Samuel that we have for NB. What proof we need here is "HOW OLD WAS SAMUEL AUSTIN WHEN HE DIED" I'll bet the old boy was 10+ years older then what he let on. Many of the Loyalist soldiers when they married after the Rev. War in 1783 were 20 or more older then their wives and some even lied about their ages. Have seen this in many cases with the Loyalists in Charlotte Co., NB
The other thing that has caused problems with this Austin connection was that there were two Samuel Austin's listed as Loyalists, in the book "Loyalists of New Brunswick" by Esther Clark Wright, p257
Samuel (1) tailor, from CT, first received Lot P1295 the went to LR(Long Reach) in Kings Co., NB
Samuel (2) carpenter, from VA, went to French Lake which was Queens Co., NB
Robert Fellows has articles on the Samuel (2) from VA was one of 7 brothers and had the VA connection and the story goes on from there. NOTE in the listing of the CT Austin line that this one is also 7 sons.!!!!
While I was searching the land claims of Samuel in Queens Co. it was stated that he gave up his land claim in Kings Co for the one in Queens Co. which made it appear that these two Samuel Austin men were actually one and the same. The word tailor for Samuel (1) does not mean one who works with cloth as most would think but might be one who works with wood which would make the two men and their occupations much closer together.
The Austin line that we have in NB has the following children:
Descendants of Samuel John Austin, Sr.
1 Mr. Samuel John Austin, Sr. b: Bet. 1762 - 1763 in VA(2)/CT(1) ?? then as a UEL to (French Lake) area of NB d: July
1824 in Grand Point, Queens Co., NB Sex: Male aka: Samuel Asten
.. +Ms. Elizabeth ??? d: Bet. 1786 - 1788 in NB m: Bef. 1784 Sex: Female
.... 2 Ms. Mary Austin b: Abt. 1786 in NB d: June 06, 1856 in Boston, Suffolk Co., MA Sex: Female
........ +Mr. ? Brown Sex: Male
*2nd Wife of Mr. Samuel John Austin, Sr.:
.. +Ms. Eve Gabel b: 1765 d: September 07, 1854 in NB m: November 23, 1788 in Gage Town, NB src: Anglican
Church Records Sex: Female Father: David Gabel, Sr. Mother: Catherine Rhinehart
.... 2 Mr. Samuel John Austin, Jr. b: Bef. October 20, 1790 in Saint John, NB d: 1842 in Canning, NB Sex: Male
........ +Ms. Ann Marshall b: 1794 d: June 19, 1874 in Indiantown, NB m: February 19, 1828 src: Queens Co., New
Brunswick, Marriages, Vol A, 1812-1861 Sex: Female Father: John Marshall Mother: Janet Sim
.... 2 Mr. David Hurley Austin b: 1791 in NB src: 1861Census, Queens Co., NB d: Abt. 1874 in Chipman, NB Sex: Male
........ +Ms. Elizabeth Sypher b: Abt. 1800 in NB d: Bef. 1861 m: September 18, 1823 src: Queens Co., New Brunswick,
Marriages, Vol A, 1812-1861 Sex: Female Father: Henry E. Sypher
.... 2 Ms. Sarah Eve Austin b: Bet. 1793 - 1794 in NB d: Aft. 1861 Sex: Female
........ +Mr. Isaac Brown b: Bet. 1790 - 1791 in USA d: Aft. 1861 m: March 31, 1823 in Waterboro, NB src: Queens Co.,
New Brunswick, Marriages, Vol A, 1812-1861 Sex: Male
.... 2 Ms. Elizabeth Austin b: Bef. August 05, 1797 Sex: Female
........ +Mr. John Shearer m: August 08, 1822 src: Queens Co., New Brunswick, Marriages, Vol A, 1812-1861 Sex: Male
.... 2 Ms. Catherine Austin b: Abt. 1800 Sex: Female
........ +Mr. John Buzzell b: Abt. 1800 Sex: Male
.... 2 Mr. Nathaniel James Priest Austin b: Bef. March 09, 1800 in NB d: June 03, 1886 in Colchester Twp., Essex Co.,
ON src: ODI - Ontario Death Index Sex: Male aka: James Austin
........ +Ms. Sarah Collins b: 1827 in Cavan County, Ireland d: 1883 m: April 08, 1846 Sex: Female Father: ? Collins
Mother: Elizabeth ???
.... 2 Mr. Justus Earl Austin, Sr. b: 1801 in Grand Lake, NB d: October 22, 1858 in Grand Lake, Queens Co., NB Sex:
........ +Ms. Rebecca Cox b: 1805 in Watby d: 1889 m: July 18, 1833 src: Queens Co., New Brunswick, Marriages, Vol
A, 1812-1861 Sex: Female Father: Robert Richard Cox Mother: Hannah Yeamans
.... 2 Mr. John Edward Austin b: 1803 d: September 13, 1887 Sex: Male aka: Artie Austin
........ +Ms. Ann Earle b: July 15, 1817 d: March 1876 m: January 05, 1839 Sex: Female Father: Richard Lawrence
Earle Mother: Nancy Fisher
.... 2 Ms. Phoebe Ann Austin b: May 04, 1804 d: June 1841 Sex: Female
........ +Mr. Loderwick Sypher, Sr. b: Abt. 1800 m: January 04, 1827 src: Queens Co., New Brunswick, Marriages, Vol A,
1812-1861 Sex: Male aka: Ludewick Sypher
.... 2 Ms. Margaret Eve Austin b: Bef. March 04, 1810 Sex: Female
........ +Mr. John McFarlane m: December 31, 1832 src: Queens Co., New Brunswick, Marriages, Vol A, 1812-1861 Sex:
.... 2 Ms. Charlotte Amelia Austin b: Bef. April 05, 1812 Sex: Female
........ +Mr. Alexander Clark m: February 25, 1836 src: Queens Co., New Brunswick, Marriages, Vol A, 1812-1861 Sex:
While the one from CT has:
Descendants of John Austin, Sr.
1 Mr. John Austin, Sr. b: Abt. 1725 in probably Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT d: Bef. 1772 Sex: Male
.. +Ms. Elizabeth Hurley b: March 08, 1726/27 in of Dutchess Co., NY d: Aft. December 12, 1785 m: Abt. 1748 in
Amenia, Dutchess Co., NY Sex: Female Father: Samuel Hurley Mother: Elizabeth Whitney
.... 2 Mr. Samuel Austin b: June 16, 1749 in Amenia, Dutchess Co., NY Sex: Male ***** this would be the Samuel (1)
........ +Ms. ? ??? Sex: Female
.... 2 Mr. Hurley Austin b: January 13, 1751/52 Sex: Male
.... 2 Mr. John Austin, Jr. b: August 08, 1754 Sex: Male
.... 2 Mr. Nathaniel Austin b: June 05, 1755 Sex: Male
.... 2 Mr. James Austin b: Bef. August 10, 1760 Sex: Male
.... 2 Mr. Amos Austin b: Abt. 1762 Sex: Male
.... 2 Ms. Elizabeth Austin b: Bef. January 08, 1764 Sex: Female
.... 2 Mr. Jonathon Austin b: Abt. 1766 Sex: Male
As far as I am concerned the case is still open until we can find a few more answers that prove that Samuel John Austin, Sr. is connected to the VA or the CT line.(This has now been resolved as of June 2011 when a descendant of Samuel John Austin had his Y-Chromosone DNA tested and it has a match of 36/37 with that of a descendant of John Austin, b 8 Aug 1754, shown in the list above) (see Breaking News at the start of the notes for proof)
All of the VA connections seem to be based on pure speculations and absolutedly no proof of lineage names etc while the CT connection has many of the connections via names etc. The VA line was not a Loyalist but stayed in the USA while the CT connections was a Loyalist, it is just the dob of 16 June 1749 vs 1762-1763 that gives an error of 12-14 years difference in ages of the two men.
The DNA results do not prove the two Samuel's( NB one and the one born 16 June 1749) are one and the same person but it does prove that the New Brunswick Samuel Austin is from the same lineage as that of John Austin, b ca 1725 that married Elizabeth Hurley.
More proof is still required to say with 100% accuracy that Samuel Austin from NB is the son of John Austin and Elizabeth Hurley. The one piece of evidence that points in this direction is that one of the sons of Samuel Austin was named David Hurley Austin.
Samuel John Austin: Land Grant Application dated 28 October 1809
The Memorial of Samuel Austin formerly of Fredericton, now of the Grand Lake , Respectfully showeth,
That he has been settled upon the Lake for fourteen years ----- -----(unable to read next two words), and has a family of ten children. ............
Based on the above information Samuel appears to have left Fredericton about 1794. This is confirmed by the baptism records of his children at Gagetown Parish, Queens Co., NB , where his eldest daughter from his second wife was baptized 28 Feb. 1796 and Samuel's residence is shown to be Grand Lake.
The list of children baptized is shown as:
Austin Astin John 4 Mar 1804 Gagetown Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin Catharine Eve 20 Jun 1855 Salmon River Age 23 years
Austin Charlotte Amelia 5 Apr 1812 Hampstead Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Samuel Clarke
Austin David William Gable 20 Jun 1855 Salmon River Age 13 years
Austin Elisabeth 5 Aug 1798 Grand Lake Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin Eve Margaret 4 Mar 1810 Waterboro Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin Justus Earle 23 Jan 1803 Grand Lake Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin Lavinia 20 Jun 1855 Salmon River Age 9 years
Austin Nathaniel James Priest 9 Mar 1800 Grand Lake Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin Pheby Ann 4 Mar 1810 Waterboro Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin Sarah 28 Feb 1796 Grand Lake Austin Samuel and Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
Austin William Frederick 20 Jun 1855 Salmon River Age 20 years
- Note: Ref: LDS Film # M516002, sheet 0867
- Mary Elizabeth Austin b: BET 1785 AND 1786 in NB
Eve Gabel b: 1765
23 NOV 1788
in Gage Town Parish, Queens Co., NB 2
- Note: Austin Samuel 23 Nov 1788 Gagetown Gable Eve By Rev. Richard Clarke
- Catherine Elizabeth Austin b: 1789 in NB
- Samuel John Austin , Jr. b: BEF 20 OCT 1790 in Saint John, NB
- David Hurley Austin b: 1791 in NB
- Sarah Eve Austin b: BET 1793 AND 1794 in NB
- Elizabeth Austin b: BEF 5 AUG 1797 in NB
- Nathaniel James Priest Austin b: BEF 9 MAR 1800 in NB
- Justus Earl Austin , Sr. b: 1801 in Grand Lake, Queens Co., NB
- John Edward Austin b: 1803 in NB
- Phoebe Ann Austin b: 4 MAY 1804 in NB
- Margaret Eve Austin b: BEF 4 MAR 1810 in NB
- Charlotte Amelia Austin b: BEF 5 APR 1812 in Douglas Harbour, NB
- Title: Edenside
Page: p2 (name is shown as Samuel J. Austin; p8, Samuel John named for his father)
- Title: ACR: Anglican Church Records
Note: If Page shows St. George then use this link.
St. Marks Anglican Church: St. George. Click on A1 for Baptisms, A2 for Burials, or A3 for Weddings.
Otherwise use this link for St. Andrews, St. David, or St. Stephen Parish Records
Page: Gagetown marriages 1786-1911